testimony · July 14, 2021
Congressional Testimony
Jerome H. Powell
S. HRG. 117–407
THE SEMIANNUAL MONETARY POLICY REPORT
TO THE CONGRESS
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COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS
SHERROD BROWN, Ohio, Chairman
JACK REED, Rhode Island PATRICK J. TOOMEY, Pennsylvania
ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama
JON TESTER, Montana MIKE CRAPO, Idaho
MARK R. WARNER, Virginia TIM SCOTT, South Carolina
ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts MIKE ROUNDS, South Dakota
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland THOM TILLIS, North Carolina
CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada JOHN KENNEDY, Louisiana
TINA SMITH, Minnesota BILL HAGERTY, Tennessee
KYRSTEN SINEMA, Arizona CYNTHIA LUMMIS, Wyoming
JON OSSOFF, Georgia JERRY MORAN, Kansas
RAPHAEL WARNOCK, Georgia KEVIN CRAMER, North Dakota
STEVE DAINES, Montana
LAURA SWANSON, Staff Director
BRAD GRANTZ, Republican Staff Director
ELISHA TUKU, Chief Counsel
TANYA OTSUKA, Counsel
DAN SULLIVAN, Republican Chief Counsel
LUKE PETTIT, Republican Economist
CAMERON RICKER, Chief Clerk
SHELVIN SIMMONS, IT Director
CHARLES J. MOFFAT, Hearing Clerk
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Opening statement of Chairman Brown ................................................................ 1
Prepared statement ................................................................................... 43
Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of:
Senator Toomey ................................................................................................ 3
Prepared statement ................................................................................... 44
WITNESS
Jerome H. Powell, Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System ................................................................................................................... 5
Prepared statement .......................................................................................... 45
Responses to written questions of:
Senator Toomey ......................................................................................... 48
Senator Cortez Masto ................................................................................ 52
Senator Sinema ......................................................................................... 57
Senator Daines .......................................................................................... 58
ADDITIONAL MATERIAL SUPPLIED FOR THE RECORD
Monetary Policy Report to the Congress dated July 9, 2021 ............................... 61
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THE SEMIANNUAL MONETARY POLICY
REPORT TO THE CONGRESS
THURSDAY, JULY 15, 2021
U.S. SENATE,
COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS,
Washington, DC.
The Committee met at 9:31 a.m., in room 538, Dirksen Senate
Office Building, Hon. Sherrod Brown, Chairman of the Committee,
presiding.
OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN SHERROD BROWN
Chairman BROWN. The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing,
and Urban Affairs will come to order.
Today, our economy is growing because of the American Rescue
Plan and the Biden–Harris administration’s leadership. We are
putting shots in arms and money in pockets. Families have a little
bit extra to help pay the bills. Beginning today, July 15th, most
parents will see a 250 or 300-dollar monthly payment in their bank
account for each child. In my State, 92 percent of children are eligi-
ble.
Small businesses are reopening their doors. Workers are safely
going back to work, often at higher wages. Last month, we added
850,000 jobs to the economy. Since President Biden took office, we
have gained three million jobs, more than any—more than in the
first 5 months of any presidency in modern history. It is not only
the jobs numbers; it is the quality of these jobs.
For the first time in decades, workers are starting to gain some
power in our economy: the power to negotiate higher wages, the
power to get better working conditions, the power to have more
control over their schedules and stronger benefits and more oppor-
tunities for career advancement.
The Washington Post reported in the past 3 months rank-and-file
employees have seen some of the fastest wage growth since the
early 1980s. Think about that. The fastest wage growth since Ron-
ald Reagan said it was ‘‘Morning in America.’’ That is what hap-
pens when we invest in our greatest asset, the American people.
Instead of hoping money trickles down from large corporations—
it never does, and pretty much every Senator sitting on both sides
of the aisle here knows that—we invested directly in our workers
and our small businesses and our communities. When workers win,
our economy wins. When everyone—as one of Senator Smith’s pred-
ecessors used to say, when everyone does better, everyone does bet-
ter.
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Chair Powell, you said the Fed can help make the economy work
for everyone by ensuring a strong and competitive labor market,
one where everyone can get a job, one where employers actually
compete for workers. I agree. Those efforts, combined with Presi-
dent Biden’s recent actions to increase competitiveness, are in-
creasing worker power in the economy. We must build on this
progress with investment in infrastructure that creates millions of
jobs, increases our economic competitiveness, and spurs growth in
communities of all sizes, all over the country.
I have been all over my State in the past few weeks, talking with
local leaders, seeing mayors in both parties, in big cities and small
towns. I have heard the same thing from all of them. They need
more investment in infrastructure, like housing and transit, to
build a stronger local economy. These are the places often over-
looked or, worse, preyed on by large corporations and Wall Street
banks.
Many of these communities have watched for decades as invest-
ment has dried up, as storefronts have emptied. Companies closed
down factories and moved good-paying union jobs abroad—in Penn-
sylvania and Ohio, especially. Private equity firms, big investors
buy up the houses and jack up the rent. Small businesses struggle
to compete against big-box chains. Big banks buy up smaller ones,
only to close branches, leaving check cashers and payday lenders
as families’ only options. Think about the opportunity and growth
we can unleash in this country if we gave these communities the
investment to fulfill that potential.
Of course, we know what happens whenever the economy starts
to grow. The largest corporations and biggest banks throw all their
efforts and their resources in finding ways to direct those gains to
themselves. Last year, during the global pandemic and deep, deep
recession, CEOs paid themselves 299 times what their average
worker made, an even bigger gap than before the pandemic.
Now imagine the kind of windfall they will try to rake in during
this boom. We have seen it over and over. Consumers spend, driv-
ing up revenue for companies. They spend it on stock buybacks
while complaining about workers’ demanding higher wages. Big
banks rake in cash. They spend it on executive compensation and
dividends and buybacks, and the Fed has usually allowed them to,
Mr. Chairman, instead of lending in communities or increasing
capital to reduce risk. The Fed should be fighting this trend, pro-
tecting our progress from Wall Street greed and recklessness, not
making it worse.
During your tenure, Chair Powell, the Fed has rolled back impor-
tant safeguards, making it easier for the big banks to pump up the
price of their stock and boost their already enormous power in our
economy. Wall Street would have you believe that removing those
protections has increased lending in support of the real economy.
We have been assured that the banks have plenty of capital to
withstand a crisis.
But, during the pandemic, it was community banks and it is
credit unions, not the megabanks, that increased lending. The Fed
supported the biggest banks to the tune of hundreds of billions of
dollars. They spent it, shockingly, on themselves while small busi-
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nesses trying to get PPP loans could not sometimes get their phone
calls returned.
We ought to try something different. We need a banking system
that works for everyone. We cannot allow the biggest banks to fun-
nel their extra cash into stock buybacks that juice their profits in-
stead of investing in the real economy. We cannot let big banks
merge into bigger and bigger megabanks, making it harder for
small banks to compete and leaving rural and Black and Brown
communities behind. We need to strengthen the Community Rein-
vestment Act so that banks serve the communities still scarred—
still scarred—by the legacy of Black Codes and Jim Crow and red-
lining.
And we cannot allow repeat performance of the years during the
last recession. Wall Street destroyed our economy, cost families
their jobs and their homes and their savings, then came roaring
back. Families limped along behind them. For the vast majority of
Americans who get their money from a paycheck and not a broker-
age account, the economy never looked all that great in the years
that followed.
Stable prices, moderate long-term interest rates are not enough
if every decade a financial crisis hits and strips away what people
have worked so hard for. Low unemployment is not enough if the
jobs pay rock-bottom wages and workers have no power. GDP
growth is not enough if it only benefits those at the top and not
the workers who made it possible. We need to create a different
system, one that is stable for the long run, one where workers, not
Wall Street, reap the benefits of a strong economy.
Chair Powell, you are charged with ensuring both financial sta-
bility and with overseeing the biggest banks. Both of those jobs are
equally important. Each affects workers’ jobs and paychecks and
communities.
And as public servants, our responsibility—yours, mine, Ranking
Member Toomey, our responsibility—is to the people who make
this country work. It is up to us to grow an economy that delivers
for them, not just those at the top.
Ranking Member Toomey.
OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR PATRICK J. TOOMEY
Senator TOOMEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Welcome back, Chairman Powell.
The economy certainly has come roaring back from COVID. GDP
is above its prepandemic levels now, and the Fed forecasts GDP
will grow by an amazing 7 percent this year. The unemployment
rate is already at 5.9 percent, which the Fed expects to fall to 4.5
percent by the end of the year. And to put that in context, the aver-
age unemployment rate for the last 20 years before the pandemic
was 6 percent.
So with these conditions, the Fed’s rationale for continuing nega-
tive real interest rates and $1.4 trillion in annual bond purchases
is puzzling. The Fed’s policy is especially troubling because the
warning siren for problematic inflation is getting louder. Inflation
is here, and it is more severe than most, including the Fed itself,
expected. And it is more than offsetting the wage gains, so leaving
workers worse off despite their nominal wage increases.
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For the third month in a row, the Consumer Price Index was
higher than expectations. Core CPI, which excludes volatile cat-
egories like food and energy, was up 4.5 percent in June, the high-
est reading in almost 30 years. And to be clear, this is beyond the
so-called base effects. The 2-year change in core CPI was at a 25-
year high.
And with housing prices absolutely soaring in many places to
completely unaffordable levels, I have to ask: Why on Earth is the
Fed still buying $40 billion in mortgage-backed bonds each month?
Now the Fed assures us that this inflation is transitory, but its
inflation projections over the last year have not inspired confidence.
Last June, the Fed projected that PCE, one standard measurement
of inflation, would be 1.6 percent for the 12 months ending 2021.
Then in December, the Fed raised that figure up to 1.8 percent.
And now, the Fed’s most recent PCE forecast for 2021 year-end is
3.4 percent, more than double what the Fed thought inflation
would be a year ago. But in coming months, the Fed is almost cer-
tain to revise that projection up yet again because so far this year
PCE has already risen by 6.1 percent on an annualized basis. So
for the rest of the year, inflation would need to be nearly zero for
the Fed’s latest projection to be proven correct.
I am very concerned that the Fed’s current paradigm almost
guarantees that it will be behind the curve if inflation does become
problematic and persistent for several reasons. The first, as I point-
ed out, the Fed has consistently and systematically underestimated
inflation over the last year. Second, the Fed has announced that it
will allow inflation to run above its 2 percent target level. Well, it
is already well above 2 percent. And third, the Fed insists that the
inflation we are experiencing now is transitory despite the fact that
recent unprecedented monetary accommodation has certainly driv-
en the inflation that we are witnessing.
And since the Fed has proven unable to forecast the level of in-
flation, why should we be confident that the Fed can forecast the
duration of inflation?
And after all, you can only know that something is in fact transi-
tory after it has ended. What if it does not end? If it is wrong, by
the time the Fed knows and acknowledges that it has gotten it
wrong, we could have a big problem on our hands. And past experi-
ence has shown it is very difficult to get the inflation genie back
in the bottle once it is out. The Fed may have to respond by raising
interest rates much more aggressively to rein in significant infla-
tion, and that could have severe adverse economic consequences.
So the Fed’s current monetary approach seems based on the
premise that it needs to prioritize maximum employment over price
stability despite the fact that employment policies enacted by Con-
gress are clearly impeding our ability to get back to maximum em-
ployment. But I would argue it is not the Fed’s job to attempt to
offset flawed congressional policies at the expense of its price sta-
bility mandate. And when the Fed subordinates its price stability
mandate to try to maximize employment, the Fed runs the risk of
failing on both fronts because you need stable prices in order to
achieve a strong economy and maximize employment.
This is not a partisan argument. Prominent Democratic econo-
mists, including President Clinton’s treasury secretary, Larry Sum-
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mers, President Obama’s CEA chairman, Jason Furman, and many
others have expressed their concern about the risk—the risk—of
rising and persistent inflation.
Last, I just want to acknowledge the unique and crucial role
played by the Fed in our economy and some of the responsibilities
that attend to that. The ability to direct interest rates and control
the money supply is, of course, an extraordinary power, and Con-
gress has given the Fed a great deal of operational independence
in order to isolate it from political interference.
But Congress also gave the Fed a narrowly defined mission. I am
troubled by the Fed, especially some of the regional banks, mis-
using this independence to wade into politically charged areas like
global warming and racial justice. I would suggest that instead of
opining on issues that are clearly beyond the Fed’s mission and ex-
pertise it should focus on an issue that clearly is its mandate, con-
trolling inflation. If it does not, the Fed will find that its credibility
and independence may also have turned out to be transitory.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Toomey.
We have an 11 o’clock vote. I informed the Ranking Member and
the Chair we will work straight through and not break during that
11 o’clock vote. So we will just figure that out.
I will introduce today’s witness. Today, we will hear from Federal
Reserve Chair Jerome Powell on the Fed’s monetary policy and the
State of the U.S. economy. Under law, he comes in front of us twice
a year at minimum. The Federal Reserve plays a key role in mak-
ing sure our economy and banking system work for all Americans.
Chair Powell, thanks for your years of Government service and
for your testimony today. You are recognized.
STATEMENT OF JEROME H. POWELL, CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF
GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
Mr. POWELL. Thank you. Chair Brown, Ranking Member
Toomey, and other Members of the Committee, I am pleased to
present the Federal Reserve’s Semiannual Monetary Policy Report.
At the Fed, we are strongly committed to achieving the monetary
policy goals that Congress has given us: maximum employment
and price stability. We pursue these goals based solely on data and
objective analysis, and we are committed to doing so in a clear and
transparent manner. Today, I will review the current economic sit-
uation before turning to monetary policy.
Over the first half of 2021, ongoing vaccinations have led to a re-
opening of the economy and strong economic growth supported by
accommodative monetary and fiscal policy. Real GDP this year ap-
pears to be on track to post its fastest rate of increase in decades.
Household spending is rising at an especially rapid pace, boosted
by strong fiscal support, accommodative financial conditions, and
the reopening of the economy. Housing demand remains very
strong, and overall business investment is increasing at a solid
pace.
As described in the Monetary Policy Report, supply constraints
have been restraining activity in some industries, most notably in
the motor vehicle industry, where the worldwide shortage of semi-
conductors has sharply curtailed production so far this year.
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Conditions in the labor market have continued to improve, but
there is still a long way to go. Labor demand appears to be very
strong. Job openings are at a record high. Hiring is robust. And
many workers are leaving their current jobs to search for better
ones. Indeed, employers added 1.7 million workers from April
through June.
However, the unemployment rate remains elevated in June, at
5.9 percent, and this figure understates the shortfall in employ-
ment, particularly as participation in the labor market has not
moved up from the low rates that have prevailed for most of the
past year. Job gains should be strong in coming months as public
health conditions continue to improve and as some of the other
pandemic-related factors currently weighing them down diminish.
As discussed in the Monetary Policy Report, the pandemic-in-
duced declines in employment last year were the largest for work-
ers with lower wages and for African Americans and Hispanics. De-
spite substantial improvements for all racial and ethnic groups, the
hardest hit groups still have the most ground left to regain.
Inflation has increased notably and will likely remain elevated in
coming months before moderating. Inflation is being temporarily
boosted by base effects as the sharp pandemic-related price de-
clines from last spring drop out of the 12-month calculation. In ad-
dition, strong demand in sectors where production bottlenecks or
other supply constraints have limited production has led to espe-
cially rapid price increases for some goods and services, which
should partially reverse as the effects of the bottlenecks unwind.
Prices for services that were hard hit by the pandemic have also
jumped in recent months as demand for these services has surged
with the reopening of the economy.
To avoid sustained periods of unusually low or high inflation, the
FOMC monetary policy framework seeks longer-term inflation ex-
pectations that are well anchored at 2 percent, the Committee’s
longer-run inflation objective. Measures of longer-term inflation ex-
pectations have moved up from their pandemic lows and are in a
range that is broadly consistent with the FOMC’s longer-run infla-
tion goal. Two boxes in the July Monetary Policy Report discuss re-
cent developments in inflation and inflation expectations.
Sustainably achieving maximum employment and price stability
depends on a stable financial system, and we continue to monitor
vulnerabilities here. While asset valuations have generally risen
with improving fundamentals, as well as increased investor risk
appetite, household balance sheets are, on average, quite strong,
business leverage has been declining from high levels, and the in-
stitutions at the core of the financial system remain resilient.
Turning now to monetary policy, at our June meeting, the FOMC
kept the Federal funds rate near zero and maintained the pace of
our asset purchases. These measures, along with our strong guid-
ance on interest rates and our balance sheet, will ensure that mon-
etary policy will continue to deliver powerful support to the econ-
omy until the recovery is complete.
We continue to expect that it will be appropriate to maintain the
current target range for the Fed funds rate until labor market con-
ditions have reached levels consistent with the Committee’s assess-
ment of maximum employment and inflation has risen to 2 percent
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and is on track to moderately exceed 2 percent for some time. As
the Committee reiterated in our June policy statement, with infla-
tion having run persistently below 2 percent, we will aim to
achieve inflation moderately above 2 percent for some time so that
inflation averages 2 percent over time and longer-term inflation ex-
pectations remain well anchored at 2 percent.
As always, in assessing the appropriate stance of monetary pol-
icy, we will continue to monitor the implications of incoming infor-
mation for the economic outlook and would be prepared to adjust
the stance of monetary policy as appropriate if we saw signs that
the path of inflation or longer-term inflation expectations were
moving materially and persistently beyond levels consistent with
our goal.
In addition, we are continuing to increase our holdings of Treas-
ury securities and agency MBS securities at least at their current
pace until substantial further progress has been made toward our
maximum employment and price stability goals. These purchases
have materially eased financial conditions and are providing sub-
stantial support to the economy.
At our June meeting, the Committee discussed the economy’s
progress toward our goals since we adopted our asset purchase
guidance last December. While reaching the standard of substan-
tial further progress is still a ways off, participants expect that
progress will continue. We will continue these discussions at com-
ing meetings. As we have said, we will provide advance notice be-
fore announcing any decision to make changes to our purchases.
We understand that our actions affect communities, families, and
businesses across the country. Everything we do is in service to our
public mission. The resumption of our Fed Listens initiative will
further strengthen our ongoing efforts to learn from a broad range
of groups about how they are recovering from the economic hard-
ships brought on by the pandemic. We at the Fed will do every-
thing we can to support the recovery and foster progress toward
our goals of maximum employment and stable prices.
Thank you. I will look forward to our discussion.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Chair Powell, for your testimony.
Our economy looks a whole lot better today than it did last year.
We still have a long way to go. Yet, many of my Republican col-
leagues have been stoking inflation fears, demanding that we pump
the brakes on our economic recovery, complaining that we are just
investing too much money in the American people. If my colleagues
are suddenly concerned about the costs that have been rising for
workers and families for decades, they can join Democrats in the
fight to raise wages, to lower the cost of health care, to make hous-
ing more affordable, to pass the American Jobs Plan. Of course,
most of them will not say aloud what all this inflation alarmism
is really all about. It is simply they do not want workers to have
more power.
In reality, the biggest risk to our economy, Mr. Chairman, is not
doing enough to empower workers and not doing enough to curb
Wall Street greed and excess.
So, Chair Powell, my question is you supported Vice Chair
Quarles, as the Vice Chair of Supervision, his efforts to weaken
capital requirements at the largest banks through revisions to the
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stress capital buffer, and you oversaw weakened CCAR stress tests
which only decide how leveraged the biggest banks are.
Governor Brainard has pushed back against your efforts to weak-
en financial regulations. President Rosengren of the Boston Fed
made the case that strong financial regulation enables the Fed to
be more aggressive in its full employment mandate. President
Mester of the Cleveland Fed, President Kashkari of the Min-
neapolis Fed are outspoken on the need for the board to keep its
eye on financial stability. Weakening financial safeguards does not
help working families. It just increases the risk of a financial crisis,
wiping out everything they have worked so hard for.
We are finally making progress, as I said earlier, and workers
are getting a better seat at the table. We can make the economy
safer and fairer with higher capital requirements for the biggest
banks.
My question, Mr. Chair, is: Why have you been against stronger
capital requirements and using the countercyclical capital buffer in
curbing runaway executive bonuses and stock buybacks?
Mr. POWELL. So I guess I would say, with the stress tests, the
severity of the stress tests has very much been maintained. The ef-
fect of the stress capital buffer overall was to raise capital require-
ments for the largest firms. And they did manage to get through
the recent pandemic and the acute phase of it and the recovery and
did their jobs during it.
So I think by and large, our financial institutions are well cap-
italized. We limited their distributions during the pandemic, and
their capital levels actually rose quite materially during the course
of the pandemic. So the financial system is strong, and the banks
are strong.
I have felt, and I have said on a number of occasions, that the
level of loss-absorbing capital in the system is about right. I think
the experience of the pandemic bears that out. I would be prepared
to deploy the countercyclical capital buffer if I thought that the
conditions we laid out were triggered, but I have not so far felt that
way.
Chairman BROWN. Every time the Fed has—thank you for that
answer. Every time the Fed has taken action to lower capital
standards, it claims that doing so would increase lending in the
economy and otherwise promote economic growth. That has not
been what has happened. Instead, buybacks, dividends, executive
compensation have continued to go up even during the pandemic.
We empower workers by maintaining tight labor markets and
strong financial regulations. I believe strong financial regulation
enables the Fed to be more aggressive in helping workers and that
should be your mission. It is time, Mr. Chair, respectfully, you
change the way you think about regulating the biggest banks.
One other question, Mr. Chair. In addition to adopting pro-work-
er financial stability policies, the Fed can further help communities
of color by leading the push for a strong update to the Community
Reinvestment Act. We have seen some good developments there
with a different Comptroller of the Currency. Last year, the Fed
unanimously released a framework for modernizing CRA that was
well received by representatives of the civil rights community and
by banks.
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My question, Mr. Chair, is the Federal Reserve still committed
to full, not piecemeal, full CRA modernization with an interagency
approach, and what is the timing?
Mr. POWELL. We are very much committed to that outcome, and
I actually feel—I feel good about where we are on this. We are re-
suming our interagency discussions on it. And I am optimistic that
we will come out with something that has broad support among the
community of intended beneficiaries and, by the way, also among
the financial institutions, and that it will be a good, solid updating
after many years into the more technologically enabled era that
will help all—help the intended beneficiaries quite a bit.
Chairman BROWN. And the timing, Mr. Chair?
Mr. POWELL. Working on it now. I think you will see—you will
see we are reacting to a very large—analyzing a very large quan-
tity of comments and discussing that with—particularly with the
OCC. But also, the FDIC, it is not clear what their role will be at
this time, but we hope they will join in.
I think we will be making visible progress in coming months. I
cannot give you a finish date yet, but I think we are moving now.
Chairman BROWN. Good. Thank you. We will be watching.
Senator Toomey.
Senator TOOMEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman Powell, in your testimony, you said that substantial
further progress is still a ways off for the economic recovery, and
I think you cite that as a justification for the extremely accom-
modative policy that you have. I do not think you are referring to
the need for substantial further progress in GDP growth. I think
it is employment that you are thinking of. The unemployment rate
has declined dramatically, but it has not reached the prepandemic
lows. And I think that you have also made references to the work-
force participation rate.
I guess my question is: Is it not entirely possible that for a vari-
ety of factors, not the least of which is legislation that we have
passed, the labor force participation rate may not get back to the
record highs that we recently saw and we have made it more dif-
ficult for the unemployment rate to get back to the record lows that
we were at before? And, do you take that into account when you
determine how much progress we have made toward full employ-
ment?
Mr. POWELL. So what was happening toward the end of the very
long expansion, longest expansion, was that people were staying in
the labor force later into their careers, and so labor force participa-
tion consistently remained above all estimates of where it was
going to be. Then what happened in the pandemic was a lot of
those people retired.
Senator TOOMEY. Right.
Mr. POWELL. So there have been really significant amounts of re-
tirement.
So the truth is we do not know where that is going to settle out,
and it will take a period of years for us to really understand what
the new trend is. I do not see that as a problem for the standard
we have set for tapering asset purchases, which is substantial fur-
ther progress. We are not going to need to know the answers to
those questions to make a decision that we have made substantial
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further progress. It will be more of a consideration for raising
rates, where we have set a higher bar.
Senator TOOMEY. OK. I just hope there is a focus on the distinct
possibility that we are just not going to get to those levels anytime
soon.
Let me turn to housing prices a bit. The Case-Shiller Home Price
Index showed housing prices across the U.S. as a whole increased
in May by more than 15 percent from the previous year. And that
was not a base effect. There was no big decline in May of last year.
Fifteen percent clearly is making housing less affordable, more out
of reach for more people.
So a number of voices within the Fed seem to be increasingly
concerned about this. The St. Louis Fed President, James Bullard,
said just this week that he is ‘‘a little bit concerned that we are
feeding into an incipient housing bubble.’’ Dallas Fed President
Robert Kaplan said that the Fed should begin tapering to begin off-
setting ‘‘some of these excesses and imbalances.’’ The Boston Fed
President, Eric Rosengren, raised alarms that the Fed’s mortgage-
backed security purchases may be contributing to the current boom
in real estate prices, citing the potential financial stability implica-
tions.
I guess you know I have been clear for a long time. I have been
very skeptical about the ongoing mortgage-backed purchases. Are
you at all concerned about the unintended consequences that are
associated with $40 billion worth of mortgage-backed security pur-
chases that continue month after month?
Mr. POWELL. So housing prices are going up, as you mentioned,
around 15 percent. This is a very high rate of increase. A number
of factors are contributing. Monetary policy is certainly one of those
factors. There are also other factors. People have very strong bal-
ance sheets, so they are able to make downpayments. There are
also supply factors that are constraining the supply, at least tempo-
rarily.
So you know, our best—my best thinking is that the difference
between Treasury purchases and MBS purchases for this purpose
is not a large one. Probably MBS purchases are somewhat more
supportive of housing. That is not their intent, but that may be the
effect.
Really, the larger point is that monetary policy is supporting
this, and that is something—that is a discussion we are going to
be having as—on an ongoing basis. We talked about some of these
things at our last meeting, and we will talk at the next meeting
in a couple of weeks.
Senator TOOMEY. I think that is important.
Let me close with a question on a central bank digital currency.
During your testimony yesterday, I sensed what I was not sure but
thought might be a change in your tone about the virtues of a cen-
tral bank digital currency being issued by the Fed. One of the
things you said yesterday is that one of the stronger arguments in
favor of a CBDC is that, ‘‘You would not need stablecoins; you
would not need cryptocurrencies if you had a digital U.S. currency.’’
Of course, is not the reverse also true? If you have stablecoins,
cryptocurrencies in use, then maybe there is no need for a central
bank digital currency.
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I guess my—two points. One is it is my view that the develop-
ment of a central bank digital currency by the Fed would require
congressional authorization. I am wondering if you share that view.
And second, it is still not clear to me what problem a central bank
digital currency would solve, and I wonder if you think there are
problems that only a central bank digital currency can solve.
Mr. POWELL. First, I am legitimately undecided on whether the
benefits outweigh the costs, or vice versa, on a CBDC. Yesterday,
I was answering a direct question about a particular argument. I
said, in favor, that would be one of the stronger arguments.
Senator TOOMEY. OK.
Mr. POWELL. I would agree that the more direct route would be
to appropriately regulate stablecoins, which were not—we do not do
right now, and that is going to be a very important thing that we
do do.
So in terms of congressional authorization, you know, there are
different views on that. I have said publicly, and I think this is
right, that we would want very broad support in society and in
Congress, and ideally, that would take the form of authorizing leg-
islation as opposed to a very careful reading of ambiguous law to
support this. It is a very, very important initiative, and I do think
we should ideally get authorization.
In terms of what the problem is to solve, that is—I think that
is exactly the right question. And you know, I think our obligation
is to explore both the technology and the policy issues over the next
couple of years. That is what we are going to do, so that we are
in a position to make an informed recommendation. But my—
again, my mind is open on this, and I honestly do not have a pre-
conceived answer to these questions.
Senator TOOMEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Senator Menendez of New Jersey is recog-
nized.
Senator MENENDEZ. Chairman Powell, as the Federal Reserve
seeks to fulfill its mandate of maximum employment, I want to dis-
cuss with you the tremendous impact that immigration has on the
labor force. Is it not true that over the past 10 years the immigrant
labor force participation rate has been consistently higher than
that of native-born workers?
Mr. POWELL. I believe that is right.
Senator MENENDEZ. Yes. And let me help you verify that. The St.
Louis Fed noted in their study that as of June 2021 the foreign-
born labor force participation rate is 3 percent higher than the na-
tive-born rate and that gap has not ever been lower than nearly 2
percent for the past 10 years.
And an important, but often overlooked, characteristic of these
immigrants is their youth. According to the Bureau of Labor Statis-
tics, 71.8 percent of foreign-born workers are between 25 and 54
years of age compared to 62.2 percent of the native labor force.
So as the American labor force ages, will immigrants and, there-
fore, immigration policy play an increasingly important role in
maintaining a healthy U.S. labor force, therefore, a healthy econ-
omy?
Mr. POWELL. Senator, I am going to stay away from making any
recommendations on immigration policy. It is not in our wheel-
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house. I will say that labor force growth is one of the two things
that can drive the top line, the other being productivity growth.
And you know, in recent years, immigration has been a significant
part of—counted for a significant part of growth in the workforce.
Senator MENENDEZ. Well, I appreciate that. I am not asking you
about immigration policy. What I am saying is that one of the new-
est studies shows that nearly 1 in 4 Americans is projected to be
65 years of age or older by 2060. So while America gets older, the
overall population is growing at a slower rate than it has in almost
a century, leaving unfilled job openings in a future American econ-
omy. And I think we should be looking at our immigration policy,
whatever that might ultimately be—I have my own idea, the U.S.
Citizenship Act—as a source of dealing with the labor market.
Now let me continue on the question of the labor market. One
part of the Fed’s dual mandate is to maximize employment and un-
derstanding what factors inhibited people’s ability to work as a key
to helping achieve that goal. On page 7 of your Monetary Policy Re-
port, and I will quote directly from it, ‘‘The effect of the pandemic
on employment was largest for workers with lower wages, for work-
ers with lower educational attainment, and for African Americans
and Hispanics, and these hard-hit groups still have the most
ground left to regain. And the pandemic seems to have taken a par-
ticularly large toll on the labor force participation of mothers, espe-
cially Hispanic mothers.’’ That is very much true. So have disrup-
tions in childcare due to the pandemic had a negative effect on em-
ployment?
Mr. POWELL. Yes, they have, and also schools being closed. Care-
takers generally are having a hard time getting back into the labor
force for that reason.
Senator MENENDEZ. Yes. The Federal Reserve’s data shows that
the pandemic’s effects on childcare caused 9 percent of all parents
to be unable to work late last year and an additional 14 percent
of parents had to decrease their hours, and this effect was espe-
cially pronounced among Black, Hispanic, and low-income house-
holds. So is the effect of childcare on employment isolated only to
the COVID pandemic?
Mr. POWELL. Sorry?
Senator MENENDEZ. Is the effect of the availability of childcare
that is affordable on employment isolated only to the COVID–19
pandemic?
Mr. POWELL. I am going to guess really that the answer to that
would be ‘‘no.’’
Senator MENENDEZ. Yes. And it is ‘‘no.’’ Studies have shown that
working families pay for childcare 35 percent of their income, on
average, 5 times more than what the Department of Health con-
siders affordable. So it seems to me that increasing the availability
of high-quality, affordable childcare, like what President Biden pro-
poses in the American Families Plan, has a positive effect on em-
ployment, enables businesses to more easily find qualified workers,
and ultimately helps address the supply bottlenecks.
The same Fed study I just cited notes that reducing or offsetting
the cost of childcare has a particularly strong employment effect on
Black, Hispanic, and low-income families. The pandemic showed all
of the inequalities in our Nation, highlighted in a way so dramati-
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cally, and particularly communities of color. Now, the employment
challenges. We all talk about wanting to get people to work. The
employment challenges that people have in being able to work, and
they, as I have shown in the St. Louis Fed’s statistics, more, more
gainfully employment than native-born. It seems to me we should
be working on making the pathway easier so that businesses can
have qualified workers.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Senator Rounds of South Dakota is recognized
for 5 minutes.
Senator ROUNDS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman Powell, once again, it is good to see you, sir, and I
have most certainly appreciated the time that you spent trying to
not only educate us but also to work with us. I understand that
clearly you have made it your mission to adhere to the guidance
for the Fed in which you work to maintaining 2 percent inflation
over a period of time as well as full unemployment, or full employ-
ment. And when we talk about it, it is always a combination of
which one you are more focused on and how you maintain that
while at the same time responding appropriately, and in a non-
political way, to the actions of Congress and the Administration.
I am just curious. With regard to today’s position, we are coming
out of a pandemic. We have put a lot of fuel into the economy with
direct payments and so forth, and people are trying to get back to
work right now. And yet, we have got inflation which right now,
in this current state, seems to be above a 2 percent rate.
Can you talk a little bit about the measurement time period that
you believe is appropriate for shooting for a 2 percent goal and if
there is a concern that you would express, or that you follow up
with, when we talk about over-inflating or perhaps putting fuel in,
what concerns you would have and how you would respond to con-
gressional activity?
Mr. POWELL. So the inflation that we have today, what we said
is that if inflation runs below 2 percent for an extended period we
want inflation to run moderately above 2 percent for some time.
This is not moderately above 2 percent by any stretch; this is well
above 2 percent, and we understand that. And it is also not tied
to, you know, the things that inflation is usually tied to, which is
a tight labor market, a tight economy, that kind of thing. This is
a shock going through the system associated with reopening of the
economy, and it has driven inflation well above 2 percent. And, you
know, of course, we are not comfortable with that.
In terms of the test that we articulated, we said we wanted infla-
tion to average 2 percent over time. We did not tie ourselves to a
formula. What we really want is inflation expectations to be an-
chored at 2 percent because if they are not there is not much rea-
son to think that inflation will average 2 percent. So that is really
how we are thinking about it.
The challenge we are confronting is how to react to this inflation,
which is larger than we had expected or that anybody had ex-
pected. And to the extent it is temporary, then it would not be ap-
propriate to react to it. But to the extent it gets longer and longer,
we will have to continue to reevaluate the risks that would affect
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inflation expectations and will be of a longer duration, and that is
what we are monitoring.
Senator ROUNDS. You have been very careful, and I have appre-
ciated the fact that you have done your best to be apolitical in this
regard. And yet, at the same time, we are going to have a debate
about whether or not we need to add additional fuel to the economy
in terms of additional payments to individuals. And as we make
that discussion, recognizing that you are going to do your best to
be apolitical and simply to respond based upon your goals of the
long-term goal of 2 percent inflation and full employment, how do
you see this right now? With inflation right now being the focal
point and yet the possibilities of more dollars being put into this
economy in this recovery stage, what concern would you express,
if any?
And I know that your job is not to give us advice, but rather to
respond to. What are the tools available for you to try to maintain
that long-term goal of 2 percent during a time in which Congress
may very well be adding additional fuel to the fire, so to speak, for
inflation?
Mr. POWELL. So the way it works is we watch what Congress is
talking about, and then it reaches a point at which our staff will
say that looks like it has got a good chance of happening, and then
we will put something into—the staff will put something into the
forecast, and all of us will make our own judgment about whether
that was the right thing to do, whether it is too big or too small.
And we never then take that into the public sphere and say, you
know, please do not do that for this reason or that reason. It is
really not up to us to play a role, as you know.
Senator ROUNDS. But the tool, the tool that you would use would
be within monetary policy of the price of money.
Mr. POWELL. Always, the tools we have are, you know, in mone-
tary policy, is to raise interest rates, to tighten financial conditions
more broadly, to slow demand down. And that is how you get con-
trol of inflation, and that is—and that is what you do.
At a time like this, though, policy is so accommodative. You
know, it will still be accommodative after we slow asset purchases,
ultimately stop them, and then raise interest rates. It will be ac-
commodative for quite a while. But that is what we do, and that
is what we will do when and as we need to.
In the meantime, we are trying to understand. This particular
inflation is just unique in history. We do not have, you know, an-
other example of the last time we reopened a $20 trillion economy
with lots of fiscal and monetary support. So we are just trying to—
we are humble about what we understand, but we are—you know,
we are trying to both understand the base case and also the risks.
Senator ROUNDS. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much for your
response.
And, Mr. Chairman, thank you.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Rounds.
Senator Warner from Virginia is recognized.
Senator WARNER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
And, Chairman Powell, it is great to see you. Thank you for your
good work.
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You know, one of the issues that we have, you and I, spent a lot
of time talking about over the last year-plus has been access to
capital issues. And as we know, COVID disproportionately hit com-
munities of color. We lost 440,000 Black-owned businesses last
year.
And as we have discussed in the past, you know, I have been a
big advocate with many on this Committee, on both sides of the
aisle, to promote investment into minority depository institutions,
into community development financial institutions. And actually,
working with former Secretary Mnuchin, we got $12 billion into the
relief package back in December. Some of that will go into, as you
know, tier one capital into the CDFIs, which could actually in-
crease their lending capacity by about 50 percent. But getting that
access to capital to low and moderate-income communities is really,
really important.
Is there more that the Fed can do—let me give you a two-part
question—the Fed can do to support CDFIs? And is there anything
similar to programs like the Fed’s Paycheck Protection Program,
the PPP program liquidity facility, which could also potentially be
used? I know again we have discussed some of these things, but
like to see if—what your current thinking has been on this issue.
Mr. POWELL. So we do see, and we saw particularly during the
pandemic, the good that CDFIs and also minority depository insti-
tutions can do and were doing. And we try to provide whatever re-
sources we can, and a lot of it is just engagement and things like
that and also including the CDFIs in the PPP liquidity facility and
doing everything we could to incorporate them in a way that was
useful to them. So all of those things are good.
I think if we could think of more things to do within our man-
date, given our authorities, we would do them because we do see
the good that they do in reaching communities that are not nec-
essarily reached by other banks.
Senator WARNER. And I do hope, you know, beyond CRA that we
can, you know, look at—I have got a lot of community banks as
well that want to try to get into this market. And I have got some
ideas I would like to come back to you and the Fed on because I
think sometimes there is a feeling that there is not enough regu-
latory discretion if they want to kind of lean into lending to low
and moderate-income communities.
I want to raise one other issue I think we have all seen. We all
know housing prices are up dramatically. Matter of fact, the Fed-
eral Housing Finance Agency’s House Price Index showed that
house prices were up 13.9 percent over the 12 months ending in
March 2021. And there is a lot discussion around inflation here.
Obviously, if the housing market is overheated, that poses a huge
issue. You know, how overheated do you think the housing market
is at this point, and what kind of tools do you have that could help
deal with that problem?
Mr. POWELL. Price increases are very strong in housing, and it
is right across the country. And we see that; we hear that, every-
where. And there—as I mentioned, there are a number of factors
at work there, both demand and supply. There is a lot of demand
because household balance sheets are just in very strong—in the
aggregate, in very strong shape.
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Monetary policy is clearly supportive of people who want to get
mortgages now although most of the people getting the mortgages
have very high credit ratings. It is very different than it was before
the global financial crisis.
There are also, you know, both supply constraints on, and this
predates the pandemic. And this problem is still going to be there
when every other problem is solved, which is difficulty in getting
zoning, in getting trained workers. The raw material shortages and
high prices and bottlenecks will probably abate over time, but it
was—it is not—I have heard from many of you that this was a
problem before the pandemic, and I think that is probably going to
remain the case.
Senator WARNER. Well, I agree. I think the supply issue is some-
thing we have to address, and you know, Chairman Brown has
been working on this. I have been working on some ideas. I also
think one of the things we have got to grapple with if we go back
again to the kind of wealth gap issues, particularly racial wealth
gap, 10 to 1 Black versus White families. A lot of that goes to home
ownership. But I think it is also a challenge not only for Black fam-
ilies but for first generation home buyers anywhere.
You know, I have been working on an idea that somebody else
brought to me that would say can we effectively using Ginnie Mae,
with a slight interest rate subsidy, almost provide for the same
payments you would have on a 30-year mortgage, a 20-year mort-
gage product. We have called it the Lift Up Program. And I think
my time has expired, but I would love to share more of that with
you and as I will share with my colleagues.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Warner.
Senator Kennedy from Louisiana is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator KENNEDY. Mr. Chairman, I want to begin by thanking
you once again and your colleagues, some of whom are sitting be-
hind you. We all remember well spring of 2020, when the world
economy almost melted down. It did not in substantial part because
of the actions that you and your colleagues took. You kept this
thing in the middle of the road. Now some days you had to do it
with spit and happy thoughts, but you kept it in the middle of the
road.
I remember particularly your currency swap lines. I did not read
a lot about it. But I can understand when the world is melting
down if other countries seek out treasuries, but when they do not
like treasuries they want hard, cold, American dollars. That is
scary. So I want to thank you.
This is my question. We have spent—not just during the Biden
administration, but during President Trump’s administration, we
have spent an enormous amount of money. I mean, it is breath-
taking. And now some agree, whether some disagree with it, but
some say you should not have done it. Some say we had to do it.
It is probably a little bit of both. A lot of it was not paid for.
And I look around, and President Biden is asking us in the next,
I do not know, 6 months to spend what? Another $5.5 trillion? And
there is a lot of talk about pay-fors, but it will not all be paid for.
We know that.
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At what point do these deficits matter? Are we living in a dif-
ferent world? I mean, it—I know you will probably say, well, defi-
cits always matter. But at what point does the marginal benefit of
the extra deficit spending become less than the marginal cost?
Mr. POWELL. I do not think there is a precise point that I can
identify. I will say that we are not on a sustainable path. We actu-
ally have not been for a long time. That just meaning that the debt
is growing substantially faster than the economy. In the long run,
that is not sustainable.
The laws of gravity have not been repealed. We will need to get
back on a sustainable path at some point. I think the time to do
that is when the economy is strong, unemployment is low, taxes
are rolling in. That is the time to do it and to do it, you know, with
a longer-term plan that matches up our spending needs and our
revenues. That is what we are going to need to do.
Senator KENNEDY. When do you think that will be?
Mr. POWELL. We will eventually have to do that.
Senator KENNEDY. When do you think that will be?
Mr. POWELL. I wish I knew. I would say, you know, the dollar
is the world’s reserve currency. People are buying our paper around
the world. I do not think there is, you know, any issue of being able
to fund our deficits in the near term, in the medium term. There
is no evidence that there is, but you know, we should not wait until
the urgent need arises.
Senator KENNEDY. Yes. It is too late then. Well, I mean, every-
body seems to be a Keynesian now, and that is fair. Dr. Keynes
was brilliant. But some people forget about that chapter in one of
his books where he said, OK, you deficit spend, and you borrow to
stimulate your economy, but when it is better, you pay it back. He
said that very clearly—you pay it back.
The other thing that—none of us wants inflation, but it is not
just inflation as you know much better than I do. It is inflation ex-
pectations. I worry that if we spend this extra $6 trillion or $5.5
trillion that President Biden wants us to spend that the private
sector is going to say, you know, we are going to have more infla-
tion. I do not care what they say at the Fed. We are going to have
more inflation, and we are going to start raising prices. I mean,
you do not have to be Einstein’s cousin to figure that out. Do you
not think that is something we have to consider?
Mr. POWELL. Well, I would agree with you that inflation expecta-
tions are really central to—what we think are central to what cre-
ates actual inflation. We see them now being—they have moved up.
They moved down at the beginning of the pandemic. They have
moved back up roughly to where they had been in recent years. So
they are not at a troubling level.
Senator KENNEDY. OK.
Mr. POWELL. But it is something we will be carefully watching.
Senator KENNEDY. All right, last point. I am not expecting a re-
sponse. Resist the pressure. You are going to be asked by a lot of
people to get involved in social policy, in cultural matters, and in
what some will call economic policy that really has nothing to do
with the Fed’s mission. And it is not just happening here; it is hap-
pening all over the world. Do not let us become Turkey, where the
whole central banking system is politicized. Please resist.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Kennedy.
Senator Smith from Minnesota is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator SMITH. Thank you, Chair Brown and Ranking Member
Toomey.
And thanks so much, Chair Powell, for being with us. I appre-
ciated the chance to have a longer conversation with you earlier
this week.
I want to try to touch on two issues that are important to me.
The first is just following up briefly on Senator Brown’s questions
around the Community Reinvestment Act, and then I want to go
to the systemic risks that climate change poses.
So earlier this week, you and I had a chance to talk about this,
and you know, I see the Community Reinvestment Act as the main
rules that govern how banks provide services in low and moderate-
income communities and communities of color, which have experi-
enced systemic and severe lack of access to capital and lending and
financial services due to discrimination. I am glad to hear you
think that you will be seeing some updates in the coming months,
and I wonder if you could just tell us a little bit more about what
the Fed has learned from all the comments that you have received
from the CRA proposal that you released last year.
Mr. POWELL. So quite voluminous comments, as you can imagine,
from all corners. And you know, I think we are learning a lot, and
we are going to incorporate improvements. But broadly speaking,
this proposal, this approach, has the support of the intended bene-
ficiary community and also, to a significant extent, the support of
the banks, who want—you know, they are—they want CRA to be
effective. They want it to be well measured. You know, they are
committed to having it being an effective program, so I believe.
And so generally, you know, we are in the middle of setting up
to try to write something that reflects those—you know, the appro-
priate comments, and then we will publish that again. But it will
take some time, and we hope—we do hope to get all the banking
agencies on board for that. As I mentioned, I am optimistic that
this is going to a pretty good place.
Senator SMITH. That is great. I am glad to hear that. I think that
a well-functioning and modernized CRA is just absolutely crucial to
making sure that all sectors of our economy, for all people, are
growing and working. And as Senator Brown says, that you know,
we fulfill that promise. That we all do better when we all do better,
I think, is at the heart of the CRA. So thank you.
Let me just move to this question of the risks posed by climate
change. Yesterday, in your testimony before the House, you indi-
cated that the Fed is in the beginning stages of working on a pro-
gram that will engage with financial institutions on climate risk.
And the last time you came before the Committee, you said that
you believed it was important longer-term for firms to publicly dis-
close their climate-related risks.
And since then, the SEC has received hundreds of comments.
Vice Chair Quarles has highlighted the importance of climate risk
disclosure, and I believe SEC Chair Gensler has signaled his inten-
tion to begin rulemaking around climate disclosure.
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So can you comment on how you see the role of the Fed on cli-
mate risk disclosure for financial institutions?
Mr. POWELL. I guess I would start by saying that really the foun-
dations of all of this are that we need to get good data on the impli-
cations of climate change and how to think about that in terms of
the risks that the financial institutions and other parts of the econ-
omy are running. And so that is a very basic exercise, and you
know, we do not have that yet. Once you have the data, then dis-
closure is going to be important because markets are going to work.
Markets are going to be very, very important, and the world inves-
tor community will be very interested in this. So, those two things.
And those are—you know, the Fed can help with research and
data collection, things like that. The disclosure issues are really
squarely in the province of the SEC, and I know they are working
very hard on those. But around the world there is a lot of progress
and focus on these things. I just think they are quite central to
anything that we are ultimately able to accomplish here.
Senator SMITH. So I think it is fair to say that the European cen-
tral banks have led the way here. What can we learn from the ap-
proach that they have taken?
Mr. POWELL. I think one thing I would point to is the climate
stress scenarios that have been developed by the Network for
Greening the Financial System, and a number of the major Euro-
pean central banks are running climate stress scenarios, very dis-
tinct from stress tests. And what they are really trying to do is,
with financial institutions, look at what the effect over a long pe-
riod of time on their business and on their business model could
be from, you know, reasonably plausible, you know, outcomes for
the evolving climate. And it is proving to be, I think, a very profit-
able exercise both for the financial institutions and for regulators.
So that is one thing.
We have—we have not decided to do that yet. We are in the proc-
ess of looking very carefully at that. My guess is that is a direction
we will go in that we are not ready to do yet.
Senator SMITH. Thank you.
Mr. Chair, I realize I am out of time. I want to just note that
I think that some would say that climate risk is a political issue.
I see it as a systemic financial risk just like other systemic finan-
cial risks that big banks and small—medium-sized banks have to
address. So I think that it is extremely important.
I urge the Fed to continue to look at these impacts and to move
with alacrity because I think, as you say, Chair Powell, I believe
that the markets are looking for clarity about how to measure and
how to assess these risks for the good of investors and for every-
body. Thank you.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Smith.
Senator Hagerty of Tennessee is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator HAGERTY. Thank you, Chairman Brown and Ranking
Member Toomey. I appreciate your holding this important hearing
that has to do with our critical job of overseeing the Federal Re-
serve.
And, Chair Powell, I want to thank you for being here with us
again. Today, I would like to talk with you about inflation. Infla-
tion is the insidious tax that the Biden administration is imposing
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on everyday working people here in America right now, and it is
a great concern.
Back in February, I discussed with you about how the U.S. econ-
omy at that point was forecast to see 6 percent growth this year,
and at that point, I expressed serious concerns about the Demo-
crats’ nearly $2 trillion of additional partisan spending on an econ-
omy that was already recovering very rapidly thanks to the effects
of Operation Warp Speed and also thanks to the policies that had
been in place during the previous 4 years that had put our Nation
on a solid footing in terms of tax cuts, fair and reciprocal trade,
and deregulation.
The Federal Reserve’s challenging and dual mandate is to realize
price stability and maximum employment, but runaway Democrat
spending and policies that they are imposing are making your job
harder than it already is. The bill the Democrats ran through in
March spent roughly 10 percent of our GDP, and now they are
looking to spend maybe another 20 percent of U.S. GDP on a pure-
ly partisan basis. They are throwing around trillions of dollars like
it was simply Monopoly money when really what it is doing is tax-
ing Americans’ hard-earned paychecks. It is very irresponsible. It
is creating inflation outcomes that many of us have not seen in our
adult lifetimes, certainly not since Jimmy Carter was President.
Echoing what Ranking Member Toomey has said of the concerns
that he has raised about inflation, I worry, too, that things may
spiral out of control if we do not show some restraint. At the same
time, President Biden and the Democrats are imposing policies that
work against maximum employment. They are giving away employ-
ment incentives. They are raising taxes on job creators, throwing
away our energy independence, and freezing American investment.
The Fed has more direct control over inflation and price stability
than it does over employment. Businesses create jobs, and price
stability allows American businesses and families to make business
decisions and to plan their everyday finances.
But now Americans have a sense of scarcity and, I believe, a
sense of panic over inflation. The policies that are being imposed
are causing families in my home State of Tennessee and all across
America to make financial decisions with soaring inflation in mind.
Price stability is not a 12 percent annualized inflation jump like
the one we just saw from May to June. People in Tennessee are
seeing their buying power eroded like never before, and they do not
see this as transitory. And I am sure people in Chairman Brown’s
home State of Ohio and Ranking Member Toomey’s home State of
Pennsylvania are feeling exactly the same way.
As you know, inflation expectations can be self-fulfilling. Infla-
tion and price instability at this level is bad for America.
Chairman Powell, this environment suggests to me that the
emergency posture that I understand the Fed adopted back during
the depths of the pandemic seriously needs to be reconsidered right
now, and I am very worried that the Fed’s continued level of asset
purchases and balance sheet expansion is facilitating this runaway
spending that the Democrats are imposing upon us and adding to
the inflationary pressures that these trillions of additional dollars
are going to continue to add to our economy and continue to add
to the debt that our children are going to continue to bear. And it
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is amazing to me that not one Democrat in Congress is willing to
speak out about this.
So, Chairman Powell, why is the Fed maintaining its emergency
monetary policy posture right now, and why do I understand that
it may continue well into 2023?
Mr. POWELL. So where we are is we are watching the evolution
of the economy. We are noting that there is still an elevated level
of unemployment. We note that inflation is well above target, and
we have discussed that. And we have said that we would begin to
reduce our asset purchases when we feel that the economy has
achieved substantial further progress measured from last Decem-
ber. So we are in active consideration of that now.
We had a full meeting last June, last month, to discuss that.
Then we have got another meeting coming up in 2 weeks. So we
will be making that assessment, and as we assess the progress of
the economy toward that goal, we will begin to reduce our asset
purchases. We have set a separate test for raising interest rates,
which is a higher test. And so that is how we are thinking about
this today.
Senator HAGERTY. The policy positions that have been under-
taken by this Administration go far beyond the transitory nature
that you described. And again, if I think about the expectations of
the people in my home State, they are very, very concerned about
inflation. So I would like to pass that along.
I would also like to ask you just a very simple question. Does
continued Government stimulus spending at this point make your
job in terms of sustaining price stability more difficult?
Mr. POWELL. So we are not in the business of giving Congress
advice on fiscal policy, and I just have to leave that to you. We take
whatever you do, and we put it into our considerations of policy,
but we do not—we do not comment on it one way or another.
Senator HAGERTY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you, Chairman Brown.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Hagerty.
Senator Warren from Massachusetts is recognized.
Senator WARREN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
So the Chairman of the Federal Reserve has two basic jobs: mon-
etary policy, which everybody likes to talk about, and regulatory
oversight, which is often way down in the weeds but keeps our
economy safe from another banking meltdown.
You have been Chair for 4 years now and have gone through the
process of what you describe as, quote, tailoring the regulations put
in place after the 2008 financial crisis. Now there were a lot of
changes, but I want to talk about a couple in particular. To prevent
taxpayer bailouts, banks are required to have living wills. This
means that banks must be able to show every single year how they
could be shut down without wrecking the entire economy. In 2019,
you changed the rules so that the 13 banks with $250 billion to
$700 billion in assets could submit full living wills only once every
6 years instead of every year. So that test is now weaker.
Chair Powell, has the Fed done anything over the past 4 years
to make living will requirements stronger?
Mr. POWELL. To make living will—we have done a lot of things
to strengthen regulation and capital, but I think——
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Senator WARREN. Yes, but on living wills. So just——
Mr. POWELL. Living wills. No.
Senator WARREN. OK.
Mr. POWELL. Maybe I can explain what we——
Senator WARREN. So let us move to another regulation, the
Volcker Rule, the rule that works sort of like Glass–Steagall ‘‘light’’
to separate commercial banking from Wall Street risk taking. In
2019, you exempted more short-term trading holdings from the
rules so banks could take on a little more risk. Now that weakened
the rule. Then in 2020, you eased up the rules to let banks invest
more of their assets in high-risk private equity and hedge funds.
So the Volcker Rule got weaker again.
So let me ask, Mr. Chairman, during the past 4 years, has the
Fed done anything to make the Volcker Rule stronger and limit
risky trading for the largest banks?
Mr. POWELL. I think by clarifying it we made it more effective
at what it is supposed to do, which is just what you said.
Senator WARREN. Well, I have to say it is whether or not you did
anything to make it stronger, not just whether or not you made it
clearer. It is whether or not you made it stronger or harder for
banks to engage in speculative trading. So I am taking it that the
answer here is ‘‘no.’’
I have highlighted two examples of weakening regulations, but
there are a whole lot more: reducing capital requirements, easing
liquidity requirements, shrinking margin requirements, scaling
back on supervision, weakening the stress tests. It is a long list.
And I realize that you think these are good changes, but I am try-
ing to look at this from a regulatory perspective. Is the Chairman
of the Federal Reserve making banking rules stronger or weaker?
So tell me, Mr. Chairman, is there a big rule change that I
missed? Can you name a change that strengthened the rules and
made the actual rules tougher?
Mr. POWELL. Well, let me say we did not weaken capital require-
ments for the largest banks, and we—I actively resisted any move
in that direction. And in fact, the stress capital buffer which we im-
plemented quite recently, after years of consideration, raises cap-
ital standards——
Senator WARREN. So——
Mr. POWELL ——for the largest banks by the way. Stress tests.
They are really bound by the stress tests. We maintained the very
high stringency of the stress tests through this period.
Senator WARREN. But I was asking about anything tougher.
Look, what I am looking for is that the Fed’s record over the past
4 years, I see one move after another to weaken regulation over
Wall Street banks, and that worries me. There is no doubt that the
banks are stronger today than they were when they crashed the
economy in 2008, but that is the wrong standard. The question is
whether or not they are strong enough to withstand the next crisis
and whether the Fed is tough enough to protect the American econ-
omy and the American taxpayer.
In 2020, the giant banks that are the beneficiary of these weak-
ened rules made it through the crisis, but the researchers from the
Minneapolis Fed found that the banks would have faced up to $300
billion in losses if not for fiscal stimulus from the Government. In
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other words, the current Fed rules were not strong enough for the
banks to withstand the pandemic without, once again, calling on
American taxpayers to back them up. And that is the heart of my
concern. I understand that the next crisis may feel far away, but
like the pandemic, it may come at us fast and from an unexpected
direction.
It is the job of the Federal Reserve, and specifically the job of the
Chair of the Federal Reserve, to use the regulatory tools that Con-
gress has created in order to make sure that banks remain strong
and that taxpayers will never be called on again for a bailout.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Warren.
Senator Tillis from North Carolina is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator TILLIS. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Chairman, thank you for being here. I wanted to go back and
maybe give you an opportunity to respond to one question. You
were going to explain the work on living wills. Would you like
to——
Mr. POWELL. Yes.
Senator TILLIS ——explain the work you have done there?
Mr. POWELL. I would just say we—you know, that was an incred-
ibly labor-intensive and taxing issue that we went through, cycle
after cycle after cycle, and really the marginal gains from doing it
every year diminished quite a lot. So we concluded that for the
largest banks we would not require a full resubmission except
every other year. And—but they have to—anything that is material
they must resubmit. I do not think in any way we have weakened
our understanding of the resolvability or anything like that.
I would also say we did—we raised capital standards on the larg-
est banks, full stop, in the stress capital buffer. They are higher
now than they were. I would say that.
Senator TILLIS. And with respect to the Volcker Rule, you were
talking about clarifications. I mean, is the Fed fully enforcing the
Volcker Rule based on congressional intent?
Mr. POWELL. Absolutely. Look, I think it is important. More
broadly, I would completely agree that our job is to maintain the
strength of these large financial institutions so that we never have
to worry about bailing them out again, and I am strongly com-
mitted to that.
You know, we need them to be very, very strong so that they can
perform the roles that they are supposed to perform even in a se-
vere crisis. And I think that they, by and large, did, admittedly
with a lot fiscal support and a lot of—a lot of monetary support,
too. We can always—you know, we can always do better, but we
are committed; I am committed to that.
Senator TILLIS. Thank you. I have got to beat the inflation drum
for just a minute here. The FOMC members insist inflation is tran-
sitory, but it has not inspired a lot of confidence in me. There was
a statement, a couple of statements, by President Mary Daly. In
February, she declared the pressures on inflation now are down-
ward. In May, when inflation readings were at 3.9 percent, she
said the higher inflation readings would be—would mean 2.4 to 2.6
percent. In June, she was predicting that inflation could go above
3 percent. And despite months of relatively low-ball projections, in
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response to Tuesday’s high inflation reading, she confidently de-
clared we expect a pop in inflation like this. So I hope, from our
perspective, you could see that we are skeptical about some of the
inflation projections.
And I have heard—I have spoken with a number of people in the
financial services industry, and when I ask them the question
about ‘‘transitory,’’ I am getting more of a response now of ‘‘transi-
tory-ish.’’ So can you give me a reason why you believe the Fed’s
position on it being transitory, that it will snap back, why that is
still well founded?
Mr. POWELL. Sure. So let me start by saying that no one has any
experience of what it is to reopen the economy after what we went
through, and so all of us are going to have to be guided by data
and have—you know, our views are going to have to be——
Senator TILLIS. Yes, Chairman, let me interrupt you for a second.
I would also like for you to answer that question in the context of
the flow of money that has been passed in the prior COVID relief
packages. And we had an announcement this week from the Speak-
er of the House and Senator Schumer that they have an agreement
on another 3.5 trillion. I am a part of a working group for infra-
structure that could add about another 600 billion. So answer the
question in the context of how that future, according to the leader-
ship of Congress, outcome is going to occur. How does that all fit
into the credibility of future inflation projections?
Mr. POWELL. So when we look at inflation, we look in the basket
of things that—and we say which of the hundred-plus things in the
CPI basket are causing the inflation, high inflation reading. And it
comes down to really a handful of things, all of which are tied to
the reopening. It is used, rented and new cars. It is airplane tick-
ets. It is hotel rooms, and it is a handful of other things. And they
account for essentially all of the overshoot.
So—and we think that those things are clearly temporary. We do
not know when they will end, but they will go away. So we do not
know when they will go away. We also do not know whether there
are other things that will come forward and take their place.
You know, if we—what we do not see now is broad inflation pres-
sures showing up in a lot of categories. The concern would be if we
did start to see that. We do not see that now. We will be watching
carefully.
And we will not have to wait, you know, a tremendously long
time, I do not think, to know whether our basic understanding of
this is right. We will know because we will see other more—if we
see inflation spreading more broadly, that will give us information.
Senator TILLIS. OK. I just want to get one more in. I appreciate
that, and I listened to your responses from some of the other Mem-
bers. With the LIBOR transition, do you still view—I think you
publicly stated Ameribor is a reasonable choice for regional and
community institutions. Do you still stand by that?
Mr. POWELL. You know, we do not like to bless individual rates,
but I would just say market participants have the freedom to
choose—to choose the rates that they want to choose. We are not—
we are not forcing them to use. This is for—this is for just use.
Senator TILLIS. But I am confirming——
Mr. POWELL. And it uses LIBOR.
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Senator TILLIS ——in some public comments, you have said it is
an appropriate rate for banks and funds through the financial—
American Financial Exchange. You still stand by that statement.
Mr. POWELL. I saw—I saw that. I do not remember saying that,
but if people—it was in a letter, I think.
Senator TILLIS. OK.
Mr. POWELL. So I must have done it.
Senator TILLIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate your work.
Mr. POWELL. Thank you.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Tillis.
Senator Tester of Montana is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator TESTER. Yes, thank you, Chairman Brown.
And I want to thank Chairman Powell for being here today. A
lot of chairmen around here.
But look, I have appreciated you, and I have appreciated your
work during your tenure and especially as we look back over an in-
credibly difficult period of time, where you were having to take a
lot of issues that we had not seen in, you know, 80 years under
consideration, getting attacked, trying to politicize the Fed. I just
want to thank you. I appreciate it. I think your expertise and your
knowledge has shown through. The cream has risen to the top, so
to speak. So thank you.
Look, there is a lot of talk about infrastructure needs, and I
think that you would probably agree that China is trying to take
over our role in this world of being the economic superpower. And
I am one that believes in infrastructure and investments in infra-
structure is critically important if we are going to maintain our po-
sition as a worldwide economic power. ‘‘The’’ worldwide economic
power.
My question for you is: As you look at infrastructure investments
and how that affects our economy, where would you put your focus?
Mr. POWELL. I do not have any—I mean, I would just say that
well-spent, well-invested infrastructure money does have the abil-
ity, and it is really up to you to make those decisions. But you
know, it is the kind of thing that can actually raise the growth
rate, the potential growth rate, of the country over time. But I
guess I need to leave the details——
Senator TESTER. So I think that there are several proposals out
there. There are proposals to invest in roads and bridges and
broadband and grid, which some of us in this room are a part of,
that I think is really, really important. I think there are other pro-
posals that are also very important, but they are investing in a dif-
ferent infrastructure, like childcare and workforce housing and
those kinds of things.
I do not mean to put you on the spot, but I do value your opinion.
Where do you think those things fall? Are they equally as impor-
tant, or do you think that—do you think the economy is fine with-
out any investment in those kinds of things, like housing and
childcare and, you know, that kind of stuff?
Mr. POWELL. I do not want to get into—I would not get into the
debate over whether those are——
Senator TESTER. No.
Mr. POWELL ——infrastructure or not, but there is a——
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Senator TESTER. Right. No, no. Just from an economic stand-
point.
Mr. POWELL. You know, from an economic standpoint, take
childcare. You know, we used to have the highest female labor
force participation rate among the advanced economies. Now we
are close to the bottom of the pack. And one of the differences eco-
nomic researchers point to—there is a lot of research on this—is
just a different approach on childcare. And it is really up to you
to look at that and see whether that makes any sense in the U.S.
context. We do not have an opinion on that.
Senator TESTER. OK.
Mr. POWELL. But that is a basic economic trend where we used
to lead and we do not anymore.
Senator TESTER. OK. So let me ask you this. I do not know. I
know that many in the Fed have done some work on issues in In-
dian Country, and one of the issues in Indian Country is housing.
They have a different situation because of their sovereignty and be-
cause of, you know, not having the kind of collateral that folks who
own property have. The land under reservation I am talking about.
Do you have any thoughts on that, on what we could be doing?
Outside of the whole infrastructure conversation, just what can we
do to impact Indian Country when it comes to housing? Because,
man, it is woefully, woefully bad.
Mr. POWELL. That is a hard question, and as you know, we
have—we have four or five reserve banks that are—that are in-
volved, particularly Minnesota, Minneapolis, in Indian Country
issues. You know, we are not—we are not allowed to spend—we do
not spend taxpayer money on things directly like that, but I think
we would agree that there is a significant housing issue in Indian
Country. And I—you know. I mean, I am not sure I have the an-
swer——
Senator TESTER. So if you—look, if you have any ideas that pop
into your head about how we can—I do not know if ‘‘incentivize’’
is the right word, but how we can engage the private sector to do
some—to do some housing so that they would be more inclined.
And look, I get their point of view. It is not traditional. You
know, they do not have the kind of collateral that they would have
with—you know, with, well, fee property. So it is an issue.
Look, I appreciate what you are doing. I am about out of time,
but I just want to thank you for your work. I appreciate you being
in front of the Committee today and good luck.
Mr. POWELL. Thank you, Senator.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Tester.
Senator Shelby from Alabama is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator SHELBY. Thank you. Chairman Powell, we have been
talking about inflation. And it is not going to go away, I think, for
a while. So we are going to continue to talk about it, and you will
be concerned with it.
In June, U.S. inflation accelerated at its fastest pace in 13 years.
Consumer prices increased by 5.4 percent from a year ago. Ameri-
cans are now paying higher prices for many of the goods and serv-
ices that they cannot do without. The buying power of the dollar
has diminished over the past 40 years. Give me some—I will give
you some examples. You know all this.
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According to the Bureau of Labor’s Consumer Price Index, one
dollar today is seven times less valuable than it was in 1970, three-
and-a-half times less valuable than in 1980, half as valuable as
1990, and one-and-a-half times less valuable than 2000, which
seems like yesterday.
Recently, the price of commodities, as you know, has increased
swiftly. The price of agricultural goods and commodities has in-
creased corn by 50 percent from a year ago, wheat by 17 percent,
soybeans by 54 percent. The price of metals has risen. For example,
copper, which is used everywhere, has increased 43 percent. Alu-
minum has increased by 47 percent.
Energy prices, as you know again, have grown. The price of
crude oil has increased by 70 percent. Gas prices are up 45 percent.
In the automotive industry, prices for used cars rose 45 percent
in the past year, 10.5 percent in June alone. Airline tickets are up
25 percent. The cost of milk is up 7.5 percent.
All of this on the rise. At this point, the Biden administration
continues to claim that the increases in inflation are temporary. I,
along with others, believe that this could be the sign of things to
come. We hope not. For instance, economists surveyed by the Wall
Street Journal this month forecasted higher inflation for the next
couple of years. Throughout the seventies, as you will recall, high
inflation crippled consumers with rapid and sudden price increases.
Many of those conditions exist today, such as loose monetary policy
and significant Government spending.
If we fail to take inflation seriously, Mr. Chairman, I am con-
cerned that our Nation could be faced with the same challenges of
years ago. Yet, in the midst of the increase in consumer prices,
which I have just related, the Biden administration is proposing
trillions more in Government spending. The Fed’s ability to main-
tain price stability is threatened, I believe, by actual inflation or
the expectation of inflation.
Chair Powell, my question is this: Taking all this into consider-
ation, which you have data that we probably do not have, do you
believe that this Nation, our Nation, is facing a real problem with
inflation, and if not, why not? How do you—how do you justify?
Mr. POWELL. I think we are experiencing a big uptick in infla-
tion, bigger than many expected, bigger than certainly I expected,
and we are trying to understand whether it is something that will
pass through fairly quickly or whether, in fact, we need to act. One
way or the other, we are not going to be going into a period of high
inflation for a long period of time because, of course, we have tools
to address that. But we do not want to use them in a way that is
unnecessary or that interrupts the rebound of the economy. We
want to put—we want people to get back to work, and there are
a lot of people who are not back to work yet.
So—but we are—let me say, very well aware of the risks for in-
flation, watching very carefully, and you know, if we come to the
view that—or if we see inflation expectations or the path of infla-
tion moving up in a way that is troubling, then we will react appro-
priately.
Senator SHELBY. Are you concerned about all of the things that
I just related, all the price increases unprecedented in recent years,
or are you just putting that aside?
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Mr. POWELL. No. I mean, we are—of course, we are—we are—
you know, night and day, we are all thinking about that——
Senator SHELBY. Sure.
Mr. POWELL ——and really asking ourselves whether we have
the right frame of reference, the right framework for understanding
this.
Senator SHELBY. Last, do you agree with the economists that I
referenced, that the Wall Street Journal polled, who forecast higher
inflation rates for the next couple of years, notwithstanding?
Mr. POWELL. So that was—that was the headline writer really
got a little carried away there because the actual forecast showed
that the median for 2022 was 2.3 percent PCE inflation and for
2023, 2.2 percent PCE inflation, which is not at all different from
the forecasts of really of the people on the Federal Open Market
Committee. So those are higher than for the last 30 years, but they
are not that high. So that forecast was not—was not really as prob-
lematic as the headline suggested.
Senator SHELBY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Shelby.
Senator Cortez Masto is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman Powell, welcome back. Let me follow up on this. Are
you confident that you have the tools that you need to address any
type of inflation, whether it is transitory or for the future, that we
are looking at right now?
Mr. POWELL. Yes, I am.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. Thank you. And can I ask, in consid-
ering inflation, how should we compare costs to last summer, when
prices were well below their current levels because of the pan-
demic?
Mr. POWELL. I think it is actually—in the spirit of your question,
it is better to compare prices to prices where they were in Feb-
ruary. And if you look at inflation since then, that captures both
the decrease and the increase, and you get much lower numbers if
you do that. There are a lot of people doing that right now. So you
get—you get inflation in the mid-2s, which is still above our target,
but that sort of 16-month inflation on an annualized basis is a 2.5
percent kind of thing, not 5 percent.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. Thank you. And then for purposes of the
COVID relief packages, all of them, including the most recent one,
the American Rescue Plan, is that the sole cause for what you see
with respect to the minimum increase in inflation?
Mr. POWELL. I think a lot of things go into it. You know, the
main thing is that we have demand rebounding very, very strongly.
That is partly monetary policy. It is partly fiscal policy. And what
we see on the supply side is the supply side just cannot keep up
with this demand and all these bottlenecks. And by the way, it is
happening everywhere in the world. So it is a combination of fac-
tors.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. And so unlike the last recession that we
lived through in 2014, 2010 to 2014, would you—I am curious.
Would you—and this is my interpretation of it is that when our
economy opened up from that it was a gradual, gradual opening-
up of our economy again, and this is more of a kind of a light
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switching on with the economy opening up quickly. And that is
why we see some of the concerns with supply and demand on so
many different areas, and that is why we see highly concentrated
sectors where there is a demand like you have touched on tonight,
or today. Is that accurate?
Mr. POWELL. It is accurate, and I would add that this—the re-
sponse, both from fiscal and monetary policy, in this episode is just
orders of magnitude different from what has happened in the past.
So we are back to pre-COVID levels of economic output, and we are
on a path to be above the prior trend actually within a year, if fore-
casts prove out.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. Thank you. You know, in Nevada, our
employment rate has fallen sharply since the pandemic last spring.
Unfortunately, we are still fourth in the Nation for unemployment.
But as I watch our economy open up again, and particularly—you
and I have talked about this—is the tourism and travel industry
is starting to rebound again, which is fantastic. Last month, more
than 130,000 people applied for 6,000 positions at a new resort in
Las Vegas.
Part 5 of the Federal Reserve Monetary Policy Report notes that
‘‘Payroll employment increased by 3.2 million jobs in the first half
of 2021, driven by a 1.6 million job gain in the leisure and hospi-
tality sector, where the largest employment losses occurred last
year.’’ The May 2021 Federal Reserve research paper, however,
found that the extra jobless benefits that were provided during the
pandemic, quote, and I quote this, ‘‘likely had little or very small
labor supply induced impact on the unemployment rate.’’ Can you
elaborate on that?
Mr. POWELL. So I think that was Reserve Bank research and I
think it was referring to 2020. It is too soon to really say what the
facts are going to be here. In fact, we are going to—we will be able
to learn something because many States, as you know, have
stopped the additional benefits, and we will be able to look and see
whether that had any effect on people going to back to work. It is
way too early to say. There is not enough data.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. And thank you for saying that because
that was my next question. You will be studying that data to see
the difference between those States that cut it off early versus
those that kept it going, whether that truly was an impact or not
on——
Mr. POWELL. Yes, we are—everyone is looking to see whether
there will be a meaningful difference between the two, and again,
too early to say on that.
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. I appreciate that. Thank you. And then
finally, we touched on housing. We are seeing these home prices
are up more than 15 percent since last year. How much of the rise
in home prices do you think are due to the Federal Reserve’s pur-
chase of mortgage-backed securities versus the supply issues?
Mr. POWELL. I think that our purchases of Treasuries and MBS
are what is holding down and also holding interest rates low. The
overall picture of accommodative monetary policy is contributing to
what is happening in the housing market. I think mortgage-backed
securities are contributing probably a little more than Treasury se-
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curities, but ultimately, they—it is roughly the same order of mag-
nitude. So, sorry, was that your question?
Senator CORTEZ MASTO. Yes. Thank you. No, I appreciate that.
That answers my question. Thank you very much.
Mr. POWELL. Thank you.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Cortez Masto.
Senator Daines of Montana is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator DAINES. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
And, Chairman Powell, good to have you here today and thanks
for keeping a steady hand here during these rather tumultuous
times.
I want to start by joining my colleagues in expressing my concern
with the inflation we are seeing in the economy. This week, we re-
ceived two inflation readings. They were the highest increases we
have seen in over a decade and reflect what Montana families are
already feeling, and that is prices for everyday necessities, they are
going up. At the same time, Majority Leader Schumer, Senator
Sanders, Senate Democrats proposing another massive, partisan,
$3.5 trillion tax-and-spend package. I truly believe this is reckless.
It threatens short, medium, and long-term prosperity of our coun-
try. And I sincerely hope my colleagues on the other side will re-
verse course. With that, I would like to turn to my questions.
Chairman Powell, the unemployment rate has consistently fallen
since the height of the pandemic, now at 5.9 percent, down from
a pandemic high of 14.8 percent back in April 20. I am truly grate-
ful, I know you are, to see this rate fall, more Americans getting
back to work.
However, we are digging into this and have concerns about the
labor force participation rate, which now sits at 61.6 percent. It has
remained in a narrow band between about 61.4 and 61.7 percent
since June 20. The current labor force participation rate is 1.7 per-
centage points lower than it was prepandemic, in February 20. A
significant percentage of those folks who have dropped out of the
labor force are over the age of 55, and recent data shows that they
are not reentering the workforce. A lot of those folks, as they are
already nearing retirement age, may never reenter the workforce.
And my question, Chairman Powell, is: Do you expect the labor
force participation rate for those 55 and older to recover to
prepandemic levels, and if so, why?
Mr. POWELL. So you very accurately described the situation. Peo-
ple—toward the end of the last expansion, older people were stay-
ing in the labor force longer, and as a result, for years and years
we were seeing higher readings on participation than we expected,
which was a good, we thought. You know, we want the U.S.—the
U.S. has a low participation rate compared to our peers, surpris-
ingly, but it does.
So the question is: What is this going to—and then a lot of those
people retired. Three million people left the labor force, and it tend-
ed to be older people actually retiring.
And the question is: What is going to be the equilibrium once the
economy is going full bore again? Labor force participation tends to
lag—recovery tends to lag, you know, unemployment recovery. So
when labor markets get tight, we tend to see this.
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So I would just say, first of all, a lot of humility is appropriate
here. We do not know what the trend labor force participation rate
is, but you know, we went through 8 years of watching labor force
participation be higher than we expected. And I fully—I fully took
that on board, and I think the U.S. can do much better in terms
of labor force participation. So I am not going to close my mind to
the idea that we might get back, though.
Senator DAINES. Yes. Well, thanks for the thoughtful answer. I
guess if the—if that rate, participation rate, for those 55 and older
permanently remains below the prepandemic levels, how might you
see that impacting the time it might take the economy to get back
to full employment, and what impact might that have as it relates
to inflation?
Mr. POWELL. Well, if there is less labor supply, then you will hit
full employment earlier. As you know, obviously, we consider a
broad range of indicators, not just unemployment, also participa-
tion, wages, and those things. But presumably, if there is less labor
supply and lower participation structurally, then you would see
that in the form of higher wages and higher inflation. We would
be able to see that.
Senator DAINES. Chairman Powell, thank you. I want to get to
my last question here, and that is regarding the balance sheet of
the Federal Reserve. It recently eclipsed $8 trillion, which is more
than double where it was before the pandemic. When, if ever, do
you think the Fed’s balance sheet will fall below $8 trillion, and
could you describe what the risks are if the balance sheet remains
at this elevated level for an extended period of time?
Mr. POWELL. So we have the last cycle as an example. What we
did was we slowed the pace of asset purchases and then we froze
the size of the balance sheet for a period of years. And as the econ-
omy grows relative to the balance sheet, you know, the size of the
balance sheet relative to the economy becomes smaller. So we did
quite a bit of that. And then for a couple of years, we actually let
the balance sheet run off and shrink. As securities matured, we
stopped reinvesting them, and we let the balance sheet shrink at
the margin.
We have not made those kinds of decisions yet, but it is a reason-
able starting place to think that we might hold the balance sheet
constant for some time and then perhaps allow it to shrink under
8 trillion. In the meantime, it becomes smaller as a portion of the
economy, and that is the same thing as shrinking in a way.
Senator DAINES. Good. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Daines.
Senator Van Hollen of Maryland is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Mem-
ber Toomey.
And, Mr. Chairman, welcome. I have heard the term ‘‘unprece-
dented’’ used to describe the jump in inflation. I think what is truly
unprecedented is the number of jobs we have seen generated since
President Biden took office, three million jobs, the highest rate of
job growth of any President in United States history, as we work
seriously to defeat the pandemic and as we pass the American Res-
cue Plan, to give confidence to people in the future of the U.S. econ-
omy.
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I do want to dig a little deeper into the inflation issue because
you have made the point clearly here today that you believe it is
a temporary increase and if you look at long-term projections they
are closer to your targets. And that is also the expectation of, you
know, folks in the financial markets as well. Is that not the case?
Mr. POWELL. Yes, broadly speaking.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. And it is interesting how a short period of
time changes things. I am looking at remarks you made in May
2019, when people were afraid that the inflation rate was too low
and below your targets. And at that time you made the point you
thought it was transitory, and you were right. And you used the
different measure of trimmed-mean CPI to describe your thinking.
Can you just talk a little bit about what that measure is?
Mr. POWELL. Sure. So there—one thing that people do at times
like this is they chop off the tails and just look at the middle of
the distribution because sometimes the overall inflation measure
can be distorted by just a couple of categories. So if you did that
here—this is the Dallas trimmed-mean, and the Cleveland does a
version of this—you know, it is going to show inflation that is in
the low 2s because you are getting rid of that small group of cat-
egories. You know, the risk is that you shop for whatever inflation
measure that is appropriate at the moment, so we try not to do
that. But, just clearly, trimmed-mean is sending a signal that this
is more idiosyncratic than broad across the economy.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. Right. And is it not the case that the in-
creased prices of used cars rose by 10 percent in June alone and
accounted for more than one third of the entire increase in the CPI
in June?
Mr. POWELL. Yes, it is.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. Right. So I mean, those are the kind of
anomalies you are referring to, right?
Mr. POWELL. It is used cars, new cars, rental cars. It is airplane
tickets. It is hotels. It is all things that have a story that is clearly
related to the pandemic. At least, that is what it is now.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. Right. So look, I think rather than rush
to create alarm about inflation I think we should all be together
in focusing on important increases in job growth and wages that
we are seeing. I know you said yesterday that we—you expect that
we should be able to get back to 3.5 percent unemployment as we
move forward. I know Secretary Yellen has talked about maybe
this time next year.
I am worried—and we have discussed this in the past—about
persistent, long-term unemployment. And if you look at the June
numbers, the long-term unemployed—and these are individuals
who have been jobless for more than 27 weeks or more—increased
by 230,000 to 4 million total. That followed a decline in long-term
unemployment in May. So my question is: Is there any way we can
get back to 3.5 percent unemployment if we do not get this number
down when it comes to the long-term unemployed?
Mr. POWELL. We saw that what a really strong labor market does
is it pulls those people in and also pulls people in who are on the
sidelines or keeps people from leaving. So there is just so much to
like about a really strong labor market.
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Senator VAN HOLLEN. And I agree with you, Mr. Chairman. If
you look even before the pandemic, though, in February before the
pandemic, 3.5 percent unemployment, we had over a million Ameri-
cans who were long-term unemployed. So, yes, we hope that the
growing economy will be a magnet. I am sure it will. It is going
to bring a lot of people into the job force. I think all of us are con-
cerned about labor force participation. I think a stronger economy
will address that.
But there is this, you know, group of long-term unemployed. And
my concern is, as you well know, the data shows the longer you are
unemployed the harder it becomes to get back into the workforce,
and you know, then you get in at a lower wage which stays with
you throughout your career.
Do you believe it is worth the Congress considering—I know this
is not your domain to be specific about what—deliberate policies,
like wage subsidies, which we used successfully back in 2008, those
kinds of deliberate policies to make sure that the persistently un-
employed, long-term unemployed, can get back in the labor force.
Mr. POWELL. I would—again without trying to endorse anything
in particular, we lag all of our peers in labor force participation
now, which is not where we want to be as a country. And I do
think that is a classic supply side policy is to try to find ways to
connect people to—give them some help in connecting to the labor
force, and then you need a strong job market to pull them in and
keep them there.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. Right.
Mr. POWELL. But I do think those things are worth looking at.
Senator VAN HOLLEN. No, I appreciate that. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman. Hope we will do that.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Van Hollen.
Senator Cramer of North Dakota is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator CRAMER. Thank you, Chairman Brown and Ranking
Member Toomey.
Thank you, Chairman Powell, for being here. First of all, let me
add my voice to the chorus of people to thank you for your cool
head through this process, particularly for resisting the pressures
to lower rates when it was not necessary so we had some room
when it became very necessary. Appreciate that very much.
Now I want to—I was interested in a lot of the discussion going
on. I was particularly interested in listening to your exchange with
Senator Hagerty, where you used the line that I have heard you
use many times, when he asked a question about what Congress
ought to be doing, and you said—and I think this is a direct
quote—‘‘We are not in the business of giving’’ fiscal advice to Con-
gress either way. And again, it is similar to what you have said
many times.
Yesterday, thinking about this, I did a quick search engine re-
view of the words ‘‘Fed Chair urges Congress,’’ and this will not
surprise you. And by the way, there is not a person in this room
that does not have some sympathy over headlines that are not
quite accurate or even quotes. But one report in May of last year
said: The Fed Chairman asked Congress to consider more stimulus.
October of last year: Jerome Powell is putting out the call to Con-
gress. More money now. November of last year: Powell still thinks
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U.S. needs more stimulus for full recovery. Even in December of
last year: Fed Chair, Treasury, urged Congress to give U.S. a stim-
ulus bridge.
In other words, you have not always resisted the temptation to
give us fiscal advice. And by the way, thank you for it. I think it
was good advice.
Maybe we look back and say, well, maybe we did too much, but
we were in a crisis. You did what you needed to do. We did what
we needed to do. And I do not think there is a lot of regret about
that.
Now a number of my colleagues have pointed to what has gone
on lately and what has been suggested going forward. In addition
to the $3.5 trillion package, it includes a lot of tax increases, like
7 times more increase than the cuts from 2017, that built the foun-
dation for this quick recovery, I might add. You add in the 1.9 tril-
lion, totally unpaid for, earlier this year, the 0.6 trillion in new
spending as part of the $1.2 trillion bipartisan package that is
being discussed. You know you get to 6 trillion-plus really, really
fast.
What people are not talking about is if we end up at the end of
this fiscal year passing a 1-year CR or something similar to a 1-
year continuing resolution, we are going to spend another $6.845
trillion, 3 trillion of which will be deficit spending. Deficit spending.
Now my question to you is very direct, and that is just simply:
Does the economy need another 6 trillion-plus, another $6.8 trillion
spent this year to enhance the recovery, and is there not a detri-
mental effect to all of that, including the tax increases, when we
are in fact in—call it whatever you want. Type of an inflationary
time. But it is uncertain, and there is concern, if not alarm.
Mr. POWELL. If I can answer that by saying, you know, we did
a lot of things. I did a lot of things last year that we had never
done before, and that one in particular had a lot of encouragement
from the Administration and the leadership on both sides of the
Hill and both parties. But I swore it off, and I do think we should
go back to regular order, which is the Fed does not play a role in
fiscal policies.
It is not a national emergency like it was at the time, and I
just—I do not—I have been trying very hard, so far this year suc-
ceeding in not getting involved in giving fiscal advice. So I am just
going to have to—whatever you do, we take it into account in our
policies, but we do not—we do not come out and then comment on
whether we think this is a good idea or bad idea. Sorry.
Senator CRAMER. Well, OK. I appreciate that. Maybe just one
other quick question. We notice that the Fed is continuing to pour
some or pump in some liquidity through the purchases, mortgage
purchases, particularly, the obviously, Fannie and Freddie. Is
that—do you see that as continuing to be necessary? Obviously, you
are doing it, but why?
Mr. POWELL. So as you know, we are looking at that right now.
We are looking at—my colleagues and I on the Federal Open Mar-
ket Committee are having a second meeting about that in a couple
of weeks, and we are going to talk about the composition of our
asset purchases and the path to beginning to reduce them. And I
would not want to prejudge that——
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Chairman BROWN. I am going to go vote.
Mr. POWELL ——but this is something that is very much on the
table.
Senator CRAMER. I might just add real quickly, with regard to
climate risk that you have heard a lot about today, whether it is
political or true risk, I would just want to remind my colleagues
that when we assess climate risk, in terms of the U.S. economy or
U.S. investment, do not forget that every time we do not invest in
energy or climate manufacturing issues in the United States an-
other country that does not do it as well as us does not do it as
well. And this is—climate change is a global issue, so let us think
about risk in the global—in the global context.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Cramer.
I am going to go vote. Senator Ossoff is next, and Republican
Senator Lummis we think is coming back, or perhaps Senator
Crapo maybe, and then Senator Reed will go. But Senator Reed
will chair, and Senator Ossoff is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator OSSOFF. Thank you, Chairman Brown, Ranking Member
Toomey.
Thank you, Chairman Powell, for your service and your testi-
mony today. Obviously, over the last 18 months, the COVID–19
pandemic has been the most significant shock to our economy and
the financial system. But stepping back, what do you assess to be
the most significant systemic threats to financial stability over the
medium term, either limited to the U.S. or globally?
Mr. POWELL. I would have to say that the thing that worries me
the most is really cyberrisk. You know, it is a constant concern,
and we—you know, we spend lots of time and resources on it, so
does the private sector. But that is the one where we have a play-
book for—you know, for bad lending and bad risk management,
and we have a lot of capital in the system. But you know, the
cyber, as you see with the—with the ransomware issues now, is
just an ongoing race really to keep up. And we have not had to face
a significant cyberevent from a financial stability standpoint, and
I hope we do not, but that is the thing I worry the most about.
Senator OSSOFF. And in terms of threats to financial stability fol-
lowing cyber, what next preoccupies your attention or concern?
Mr. POWELL. You know, the economy is coming out of this glob-
ally, coming out of this pandemic. So I would worry about if we do
not succeed in vaccinating people all over the world really we are
creating time and space for the development of new—of new
strains of the virus, which can be more virulent and more difficult
to fight. And I worry that could—that could undermine the econ-
omy and, ultimately, financial stability.
The last thing I will say is, you know, we are at the point in the
risk cycle where people are looking out four or 5 years and they
are seeing a pretty good economy. You know, we are heading to,
I think, a strong labor market, highest GDP in 7 years. This is the
time when risk takers can begin to forget that there is a bad state
of the economy out there, waiting for them at some future date,
and take too much risk. And so from a supervisory and regulatory
perspective, we are very mindful that it is time to—it is a time
when we need to keep people focused on risk management.
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Senator OSSOFF. That is a great segue to my next question,
which is: Given the extraordinary provision of liquidity, not just
since COVID–19 but over the last 15 years, how concerned are you
that credit committees at major financial institutions and others al-
locating capital are acting with sufficient prudence given the easy
access to capital?
Mr. POWELL. You know, financial conditions are highly accom-
modative. People are getting things financed. SPACs and things
like that are getting done. We see Bitcoin going up in value and
down in value. So it is—you know, it is a—at times, it has felt like
a somewhat frothy market, and you know, you do worry about that.
At the same time, you know, we are very focused on the real
economy. Our jobs are maximum employment and price stability,
and also financial stability, but we have got a long way to go. So
we want to be careful about, you know, tending to our main man-
date while we also think about, you know, financial stability issues.
Senator OSSOFF. What is your level of confidence that there are
not risks lurking in the nonbank financial system, hedge funds, pri-
vate equity, SPACs you mentioned, given the provision all this li-
quidity and the reduced visibility that regulators have into some of
those institutions?
Mr. POWELL. So there is lots of risk-taking going on in the
nonbank financial sector. Much of it can take care of itself. Private
capital can absorb losses. We know from the experience of the last
crisis and the one before that there are structural aspects of
nonbank—of the nonbank financial sector that really need some—
you know, need better regulation and better structures, and that
is particularly money market funds, which twice have had to be
bailed out in the acute phase of the crisis.
I think we saw that the Treasury market really lost
functionality. The most important financial market, it lost
functionality significantly during the acute phase of the crisis, and
we are doing a, you know, very careful analysis and thinking about
whether there needs to be some structural strengthening there,
and other aspects as well.
Senator OSSOFF. Turning finally to climate change, the Fed’s
most recent Financial Stability Report cited climate change as a
potential threat to financial stability. The National Oceanic and At-
mospheric Administration, our country’s foremost meteorological
agency, states that impacts from climate change are happening
now. They cite risks, including changes to water resources, floods,
and water quality problems, challenges for farmers and ranchers,
increases in waterborne diseases, rising sea levels that put coastal
areas at greater risk. The Department of Defense identifies climate
change as a critical national security threat. What is your assess-
ment of the risk that climate change may pose to financial stability
or to your dual mandate of full employment and price stability in
the long run?
Mr. POWELL. I think it has implications for all of those things in
the long run. We are very focused on the risks that individual fi-
nancial institutions are taking and working with them to make
sure they understand the risks they are running and can manage
them and address them in their business model.
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More broadly, in financial stability, financial markets generally,
and nonbank financial institutions, it is much the same. We know
that, you know, the transition, for example, to a lower carbon econ-
omy may lead to sudden repricings of assets or entire industries,
and we need to think about that carefully in advance and under-
stand and be in a position to deal with all of that.
We are—you know, we are doing all of that work as are other
researchers and central banks and Governments around the world.
There is a lot of work going on, on this end. You know, it is a high
priority but a longer-term issue in terms of the financial stability.
I mean, I think the manifestations of climate change are here now,
but the financial stability issues are really coming.
Senator OSSOFF. Thank you, Chairman Powell.
I yield, Mr. Chairman.
Senator REED [presiding]. Thank you. On behalf of Chairman
Brown, let me recognize Senator Lummis.
Senator LUMMIS. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
And, welcome. Good to see you again. My first question, as you
might guess, is about digital assets. You had testified yesterday in
front of the House Financial Services Committee that one of the
stronger arguments in support of a central bank digital currency
was its potential to render stablecoins and virtual currencies un-
necessary, but in March, you acknowledged that Bitcoin, Ethereum,
and other virtual currencies are essentially a substitute for gold
rather than the dollar. So I want to talk a little bit about the dif-
ference between the two.
So it is pretty clear that Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other virtual
currencies are investment commodities and not payment instru-
ments. The SEC and CFTC have said as much in court cases and
regulatory actions.
So I think what you were trying to get at is one of the best argu-
ments for a central bank digital currency is that stablecoins could
be rendered unnecessary. But legally speaking, stablecoins and vir-
tual currencies are not synonymous because stablecoins do not in-
crease in value generally and are used as substitute payment in-
struments, whereas Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other virtual cur-
rencies are investment assets. There is research from Fidelity,
Deutsche Bank, and Credit Suisse, and others that call Bitcoin an
emerging store of value. Goldman Sachs has also said the same
about Ethereum.
And so my question is: Because stablecoins and a central bank
digital currency are more synonymous with the dollar as an instru-
ment of payment and Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other virtual assets
are more an investment commodity, like gold, when you spoke to
the Financial Services Committee in the House yesterday, did you
mean that stablecoin would be unnecessary if we had a central
bank digital currency?
Mr. POWELL. Basically, you are right. But let me say, though,
with cryptocurrencies it is not that they did not aspire to be a pay-
ment mechanism; it is that they have completely failed to become
one except for people who desire anonymity, of course, for whatever
reason. So that is why I included them.
But I would completely agree. Really, the question is stablecoins.
And my point with stablecoins was that they are like money funds,
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they are like bank deposits, and they are growing incredibly fast
but without appropriate regulation. And if we are going to have
something that looks just like a money market fund or a bank de-
posit or a narrow bank, and it is growing really fast, we really
ought to have appropriate regulation, and today we do not.
Senator LUMMIS. And I would—thank you for that. I would as-
sume that you would agree that some common definitions and kind
of a clear legal framework would help us understand the opportuni-
ties associated, and the risks associated, with financial innovation.
Mr. POWELL. Yes, I could certainly agree with that.
Senator LUMMIS. Thank you. Thanks so much. Now I want to
turn to monetary policy, and I would like to draw your attention
to this chart. Federal Reserve and Bureau of Economic Analysis
M2 data shows that deposits and close substitutes held by house-
holds have generally averaged 51 percent of GDP from 1952 to
2021. But then data from the end of quarter one of 2021 shows
that households are sitting on deposits and close substitutes of ap-
proximately 79 percent of GDP today. So that is roughly 28 percent
or trillions of dollars above the historic average. So going back to
1952, there has never been a higher percentage of household depos-
its to GDP. Monetary policy also has been highly accommodative
over the last 16 months to the tune of 32 percent increase in the
M2 money supply.
So I have not heard anybody talking about this hidden stimulus.
And when households start to spend this cash, combined with the
enormous liquidity already out there, it seems there is real poten-
tial for inflation to continue to overshoot. We have already seen it
this week as the core Consumer Price Index number was nearly
double what economists had predicted.
So here is my question: Is it really wise to continue to have ac-
commodative policy when there is still trillions of household cash
that will flow into the economy soon?
Mr. POWELL. So this—I think the main factors driving this up
are really that people have been sitting at home for a year-and-a-
half not able to travel and go on vacation and spend money in res-
taurants and things like that, and also, combine that with the
major fiscal transfers that Congress made. And that is—so that
there is a lot of cash. As you know, there is a great deal of cash
on household balance sheets, and that is what—that is what this
is representing.
You know, is it appropriate for us to continue accommodative
policy? We think it is, but as you know, we are looking now. We
are in the process of evaluating, you know, when it will be appro-
priate for us to taper, which is to say reduce, our asset purchases.
We are having a second meeting that will address that topic di-
rectly in a couple of weeks.
So—but for the time being, the other thing I would point out is
there are still a lot of unemployed people out there that are—and
we think it is appropriate for monetary policy to remain, you know,
accommodative and supportive of economic activity for now.
Senator LUMMIS. Thank you for your responses.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
Senator REED. Thank you, Senator.
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On behalf of Senator Brown, I will recognize myself, and in con-
cluding my comments I will yield to Senator Warnock, and by that
time I presume Senator Brown will be back to conclude the hear-
ing.
I will ask first—so first of all, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your
remarkable service over these many challenging months. I appre-
ciate it very much. One of the aspects of the pandemic has been
an indication of the potential for technological displacement of
workers. I think we are all now familiar with Zoom. In fact, it is
a blessing and a curse, simultaneously. But as you look forward,
how are you factoring in this notion of technological displacement
in terms of the workforce and employment?
Mr. POWELL. We began hearing very early in the recovery period
that companies were looking at ways to use technology really more
aggressively in their business models. And a lot of the people who
lost their jobs during the pandemic, of course, were people in serv-
ice industries, relatively low-paid, public, customer-facing busi-
nesses: hotels, travel, entertainment, and things like that.
So I think we are going to see—and that—by the way, the tech-
nology coming into these industries has been a trend. I think we
are going to see that accelerated, and you will see more technology
and maybe fewer people. And I think the implication of that is that
we need to be—we need to work as a society to make sure that peo-
ple find their way back into the labor force even if they cannot find
their way back into their old job.
Senator REED. What I think that does is stress the need for im-
proving human capital, so that they can be competitive in jobs that
they might otherwise not be. That is education. That is a lot of the
things that—and I know you do not comment on fiscal affairs, but
a lot of the aspects of the President’s American Family Plan: pre-
school education, 2 years post-secondary education, significant job
training, et cetera. But just in terms of the future, we are going
to have to make those investments. Otherwise, my sense would be
we are going to have a lot of people who want to work but whose
skills are not up to the new technological opportunities. Is that
fair?
Mr. POWELL. It may well be, and that has been a long-run trend.
If people can keep up with evolving technology, that lifts all in-
comes and lifts their incomes. And if they cannot, they tend to fall
behind.
Senator REED. Let me change subjects slightly here. Labor force
participation. One of the other illustrations from the pandemic was
that many, particularly women, were unable to continue in the
workforce because of their childcare responsibilities. Have you and
the Fed looked at this factor as one of those inhibiting issues for
labor force participation, and is it a factor?
Mr. POWELL. It is a factor. If you include broadly caretaking, it
is a big factor. If you just include children and schools being closed
and caretaking at home and that kind of thing, it is still a medium-
size factor that is holding back participation.
Senator REED. So with reasonable and available daycare, that
should contribute to increased labor force participation.
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Mr. POWELL. I think it is daycare coming back and reopening,
being available. It is also schools reopening in the fall, which
should help as well.
Senator REED. Right. We have all—I think all of us touched one
way or the other on inflation issues, and some of these seem to be
sort of one-off effects of the pandemic. Lumber went out of sight be-
cause people were sitting home and decided to redecorate and ren-
ovate. Lumber futures are down now, I believe. So we can see that
leveling off hopefully in the future prices. There was a chip short-
age which caused new cars to be expensive, which drove up the
price of used cars. My sense is your view is that these are transi-
tory effects that are somewhat related to the pandemic or other
causes, but they do not represent a trend. Is that fair?
Mr. POWELL. Yes. We can identify a half-dozen things just like
that, and they look very much like temporary factors that will
abate over time. What we do not know is are there other things
coming along to replace them. We do hear of pressures across the
economy. We do not really see price pressures, prices moving up
broadly across the economy at this point, but we are watching care-
fully for that.
Senator REED. And just a final point and echoing something Sen-
ator Ossoff said, climate change every day becomes much more pro-
nounced and much more obvious to all of us, and the impact on the
economy is something that I think is not transitory. It will be with
us. Simple things like food when there is no water for irrigation,
more complicated things like the displacement of homes because of
rising waters or a lack of food—water, rather. And I am pleased to
see that you are beginning to focus in on that.
My sense is, though, every day there will be another challenge
and it will be more—the news will be more upsetting; let me put
it that way. I hope that is a fair comment.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman BROWN [presiding]. Thank you, Senator Reed. Thank
you for presiding.
Senator Warnock from Georgia is recognized for 5 minutes.
Senator WARNOCK. Thank you so much, Chairman Brown.
And thank you, Chairman Powell. I am a strong advocate for
working families and successfully pushed, along with Senator
Brown and Senator Booker, Senator Bennett, and others, expan-
sion of the vital child tax credit program in the American Rescue
Plan. The expanded child tax credit essentially provides a tax cut
for middle-class families, cutting childhood poverty nearly in half
nationwide and is generally available to most American families
with children, including families with little to no income.
Today is a great day because many of them will see that tax cut
hit their bank accounts today, and I am happy to see hardworking
families across Georgia and across the country see the benefit of
this to help with the rising costs of raising our children. In my
home State of Georgia alone, more than 1.2 million families will re-
ceive these payments, providing much needed relief to over 2 mil-
lion children across the State.
In previous remarks, Chairman Powell, you stated that, quote,
‘‘The widespread vaccinations, along with unprecedented fiscal pol-
icy actions, are providing strong support to the economic recovery.’’
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With families now beginning to receive their child tax credit pay-
ments today, how does direct financial support to families help sus-
tain an ongoing economic recovery?
Mr. POWELL. Well, of course, we try not to comment on fiscal pol-
icy measures, particularly such as the one you have mentioned. But
I will just say generally, in the recovery from the pandemic, that
fiscal policy really did step in strongly and support people in their
time of need, and I think the record will show that.
Senator WARNOCK. Thank you. I have another quick question
about a housing bill I am currently working on, which I hope will
be a bipartisan bill. One of the other challenges that I have worked
hard to address is the widening racial wealth gap in our country,
a wealth gap that has been further exacerbated during the pan-
demic. In particular, I focused on the persistent disparities that
exist in the undervaluation of Black and Brown homeowners within
our appraisal market, which, as we all know, is a key contributor
to creating generational and middle-class wealth. Most people’s
wealth is in their homes. This is directly tied to the value of their
homes and, thus, their ability to pass on wealth to their children.
I am glad to see the Biden administration, the Fed, and other
Federal banking and housing agencies taking action, as well as
banks, credit unions, the appraisal industry, and other stake-
holders, leaning in collectively together to help solve this long-
standing issue. Now it seems to me it is time for Congress to join
the effort.
Chairman Powell, do you agree that addressing racial disparities
within the appraisal market can help our economy and help close
the racial wealth gap?
Mr. POWELL. Well, I do think that there is no place for racial dis-
crimination in our banking sector, in our housing sector, certainly
in the appraisal, and there is a big focus now on appraisals, as you
point out. And you know, we will use the authorities that we have
in supervising institutions, enforcing CRA, to, you know, try to
eliminate that kind of discrimination.
Senator WARNOCK. Do you think it will help close the racial
wealth gap?
Mr. POWELL. I think over time. I think a lot of the racial wealth
gap is traceable to housing, as you point out. So that should be the
outcome.
Senator WARNOCK. Thank you. In April, our colleagues on the
House Financial Services Committee unanimously passed the Real
Estate Valuation Fairness and Improvement Act on a bipartisan
voice vote. Not only would this bill be a great step in improving ap-
praisal practices and mitigating racial bias, it seems to me it would
also help increase and diversify the appraiser pipeline, and in-
crease the number of trained appraisers in rural communities. And
so I am planning to introduce this legislation, along with Senator
Klobuchar and Chairman Brown here in the Senate, and I hope to
do so with a few of my colleagues from across the aisle because I
believe we can work together in a bipartisan manner to tackle this
critical issue that impacts not only these homeowners but impacts
the economy as we close the racial gap. We all have a stake in that.
One final question on a topic that I am also very interested in.
Chairman Powell, as you know, the Community Reinvestment Act
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addresses how banks must meet the credit and capital needs of the
communities they serve. Back in May, I asked your colleague, Mr.
Quarles, about the Fed’s intention to issue a joint rule along with
the OCC and FDIC, and he expressed that it was the Fed’s objec-
tive to work with the OCC and the FDIC to issue a joint CRA rule
that protects and strengthens our most vulnerable communities.
Could you please provide us with an update on the status of this
CRA rulemaking?
Mr. POWELL. I would be glad to. We are working through the
process of reviewing a really quite extensive group of comments
and now engaging with the OCC to go forward and try to sort
through that and come out with appropriate changes to what we
proposed. I cannot speak exactly to the FDIC. I think they are con-
sidering whether to take part in this process. We, of course, would
really like to get the three agencies together on a CRA proposal,
and I am very optimistic. There is a lot of work to do, but I am
very optimistic that the work product will be a very good one.
Senator WARNOCK. Thank you so much.
Chairman BROWN. Thank you, Senator Warnock.
I understand the Chair cannot comment on the immense impor-
tance of child tax credit, but I can. And I thank Senator Warnock
for bringing it up and thank him for his leadership, even in his
first 6 months in the Senate, on an issue that is going to make a
huge difference to 39 million families, 52 million children. Ninety-
two percent of children in my State will benefit from it.
We do not quite have everybody getting checks today or direct
deposits today, tomorrow, and Saturday. We encourage people to go
to ‘‘taxcredit.gov,’’ the people that have not—that are eligible. And
that is, as I said, 92 percent of the children in my State.
So, Senator Warnock, thank you for your work on that.
Chair Powell, thank you for being a witness today and providing
testimony today.
For Senators who wish to submit questions for the record, those
questions are due 1 week from today, on Thursday, July 22nd.
Chair Powell, if you would, you have 45 days to respond to any
questions. Thank you again.
With that, the hearing is adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 11:46 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
[Prepared statements, responses to written questions, and addi-
tional material supplied for the record follow:]
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PREPARED STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN SHERROD BROWN
Today, our economy is growing because of the American Rescue Plan and the
Biden–Harris administration’s leadership.
We’re putting shots in arms and money in pockets. Families have a little bit extra
to help pay the bills—beginning today, most parents will see a $250 or $300 month-
ly payment in their bank accounts for each child. Small businesses are reopening
their doors. Workers are safely going back to work—often at higher wages.
Last month, we added 850,000 jobs to the economy. Since President Biden took
office, we’ve gained three million jobs—more jobs than in the first 5 months of any
presidency in modern history.
And it’s not only the jobs numbers—it’s also the quality of those jobs.
For the first time in decades, workers are starting to gain some power in our econ-
omy—power to negotiate higher wages, better working conditions, more control over
their schedules, stronger benefits, opportunities for career advancement.
The Washington Post reported that, ‘‘In the past three months, rank-and-file em-
ployees have seen some of the fastest wage growth since the early 1980s.’’
Think about that—the fastest wage growth since Ronald Reagan said it was
‘‘morning in America.’’
That’s what happens when we invest in our greatest asset: the American people.
Instead of hoping money trickles down from large corporations—it NEVER does,
and pretty much every senator knows that—we invested directly in our workers,
small businesses, and communities.
When workers win, our economy wins. When everyone does better, everyone does
better.
Chair Powell, you’ve said that the Fed can help make the economy work for every-
one by ensuring a strong and competitive labor market—one where everyone can get
a job, and employers compete for workers.
I agree, and those efforts, combined with President Biden’s recent actions to in-
crease competitiveness, are increasing worker power in the economy.
We must build on this progress, with investment in infrastructure that creates
millions of jobs, increases our economic competitiveness, and spurs growth in com-
munities of all sizes, all over the country.
I’ve been all over Ohio over the past few weeks, talking with local leaders—may-
ors of both parties, in big cities and small towns. And I heard the same thing from
all of them: they need more investment—in infrastructure, like affordable housing
and reliable transit—to build a stronger local economy.
These are the places that are too often overlooked or preyed on by large corpora-
tions and Wall Street banks.
Many of these communities have watched for decades as investment has dried up
and storefronts emptied.
Companies close down factories and move good-paying, union jobs abroad. Private
equity firms and big investors buy up the houses and jack up the rent. Small busi-
nesses struggle to compete against big box chains. Big banks buy up smaller ones,
only to close branches, leaving check cashers and payday lenders as families’ only
options.
Think about the opportunity and the growth we could unleash around the coun-
try, if we gave these communities the investment to fulfill their potential.
Of course, we know what happens whenever the economy starts to grow—the
largest corporations and the biggest banks throw all their efforts and their resources
into finding ways to direct all of those gains to themselves.
Last year, during a global pandemic and deep recession, CEOs paid themselves
299 times more than their average workers—an even bigger gap than before the
pandemic.
Now imagine the kind of windfall they’ll try to rake in during a boom.
We’ve seen it over and over.
Consumers spend, driving up revenue for companies—and they spend it on stock
buybacks, while complaining about workers demanding higher wages.
Big banks rake in cash—and they spend it on executive compensation and divi-
dends and buybacks, instead of lending in communities or increasing capital to re-
duce risk.
The Fed should be fighting this trend, protecting our progress from Wall Street
greed and recklessness—not making it worse.
Chair Powell, during your tenure, the Fed has rolled back important safeguards,
making it easier for the biggest banks to pump up the price of their stock and boost
their already enormous power in our economy.
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Wall Street would have you believe that removing those protections has increased
lending and supported the real economy. We’ve been assured that the banks have
plenty of capital to withstand a crisis.
But during the pandemic, it was community banks and credit unions—not
megabanks—that increased lending. The Fed supported the biggest banks, to the
tune of hundreds of billions of dollars—and they spent it on themselves, while small
businesses trying to get PPP loans couldn’t get their phone calls returned.
It’s time to try something different.
We need a banking system that works for everyone.
We can’t allow the biggest banks to funnel their extra cash into stock buybacks
that juice their profits instead of investing in the real economy.
We can’t let big banks merge into bigger and bigger megabanks, making it harder
for small banks to compete and leaving rural and Black and Brown communities
behind.
We need to strengthen the Community Reinvestment Act, so that banks serve the
communities still scarred by the legacy of Black Codes, Jim Crow, and redlining.
And we cannot allow a repeat performance of the years following the last reces-
sion.
Wall Street destroyed our economy, costing families their jobs and their homes
and their savings—and then came roaring back, while families limped along.
For the vast majority of Americans who get their money from a paycheck and not
a brokerage account, the economy never looked all that great in the years that fol-
lowed.
Stable prices and moderate long-term interest rates aren’t enough, if every decade
a financial crisis hits and strips away what people have worked so hard for.
Low unemployment isn’t enough, if the jobs pay rock-bottom wages and workers
have no power.
GDP growth isn’t enough, if it only benefits those at the top, and not the workers
who made it possible.
We need to create a different system—one that’s stable for the long-run. One
where workers—not Wall Street—reap the benefits of a strong economy.
Chair Powell, you are charged with ensuring both financial stability and with
overseeing the biggest banks.
Both of these jobs are equally important, and both affect workers’ jobs and pay-
checks and communities.
As public servants, our responsibility is to the people who make this country
work. It’s up to us to grow an economy that delivers for them—not just those at
the very top.
PREPARED STATEMENT OF SENATOR PATRICK J. TOOMEY
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The economy has come roaring back from COVID. GDP is above its prepandemic
level, and the Fed forecasts GDP will grow by a robust 7 percent this year. The un-
employment rate is already at 5.9 percent, which the Fed expects to fall to 4.5 per-
cent by the end of the year.
To put that in context, the average unemployment rate for the 20 years before
the pandemic was 6 percent. With these conditions, the Fed’s rationale for con-
tinuing negative real interest rates and $1.4 trillion in annual bond purchases is
puzzling.
The Fed’s policy is especially troubling because the warning siren for problematic
inflation is getting louder. Inflation is here, and it’s more severe than most—includ-
ing the Fed itself—expected.
For the third month in a row, the Consumer Price Index was higher than expecta-
tions. Core CPI, which excludes volatile categories like food and energy, was up 4.5
percent in June—the highest reading in almost 30 years. And to be clear, this is
beyond so-called base effects: the 2-year annual change in core CPI was at a 25-
year high.
With housing prices soaring—in many places to unaffordable levels—I’m led to
ask: why on earth is the Fed still buying $40 billion in mortgage-backed bonds each
month?
Although the Fed assures us that this inflation is transitory, its inflation projec-
tions over the last year do not inspire confidence. Last June, the Fed projected that
PCE—one standard measure of inflation—would be 1.6 percent for the 12 months
ending 2021. Then in December the Fed revised that figure up to 1.8 percent. And
now the Fed’s most recent PCE forecast for 2021 year-end is 3.4 percent more than
double what the Fed thought inflation would be a year ago.
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But in coming months, the Fed is almost certain to revise that prediction up-
ward—again—because so far this year PCE has risen by 6.1 percent on an
annualized basis. For the rest of the year, inflation would need to be nearly zero
for the Fed’s latest projection to be proven correct.
I’m concerned that the Fed’s current paradigm almost guarantees that it will be
behind the curve if inflation becomes problematic and persistent—for three reasons.
First, the Fed has been consistently and systematically underestimating inflation
over the past year.
Second, the Fed has announced it will allow inflation to run above its 2 percent
target level—it’s already well above 2 percent.
Third, the Fed insists the inflation we’re experiencing now is transitory, despite
the fact that recent unprecedented monetary accommodation has certainly caused
the inflation we’re witnessing.
But since the Fed has proven unable to forecast the level of inflation, why should
we be confident that the Fed can forecast the duration of inflation? You can only
know that something is, in fact, transitory after it ends. What if it isn’t?
By the time the Fed knows that it’s gotten it wrong, if it does get it wrong, we
could have a big problem on our hands. As past experience shows us, it’s very dif-
ficult to get the inflation genie back in the bottle once she is out.
The Fed may have to respond by raising interest rates much more aggressively
to rein in significant inflation. Doing so would have severe economic consequences.
The Fed’s current monetary approach seems based on the misguided premise that
it must prioritize maximum employment over controlling inflation. Employment
policies enacted by Congress are inhibiting our ability to get back to maximum em-
ployment. But it’s not the Fed’s job to attempt to offset flawed policies at the ex-
pense of its price stability mandate.
When the Fed subordinates its price stability mandate to try and maximize em-
ployment, the Fed runs the risk of failing on both fronts because you need stable
prices to achieve a strong economy and maximum employment. This is not a par-
tisan argument. Prominent Democrat economists, including President Clinton’s
Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and President Obama’s CEA Chair Jason
Furman, have expressed their concerns about the risk of rising inflation.
I’d like to end by acknowledging the crucial role played by the Fed in our econ-
omy. The ability to direct interest rates and control the money supply is extraor-
dinarily important. As a result, Congress has given the Fed a great deal of oper-
ational independence to isolate it from political interference.
However, Congress also gave the Fed narrowly defined monetary mission. I’m
troubled by the Fed, especially the regional Fed banks, misusing this independence
to wade into politically charged areas like global warming and racial justice.
I’d suggest that instead of opining on issues that are clearly beyond the Fed’s mis-
sion and expertise, it should focus on an issue that is in its mandate: controlling
inflation. If it doesn’t, the Fed will find that its credibility and independence were
also ‘‘transitory.’’
PREPARED STATEMENT OF JEROME H. POWELL
CHAIRMAN, BOARDOFGOVERNORSOFTHEFEDERALRESERVESYSTEM
JULY15, 2021
Chairman Brown, Ranking Member Toomey, and other Members of the Com-
mittee, I am pleased to present the Federal Reserve’s semiannual Monetary Policy
Report.
At the Federal Reserve, we are strongly committed to achieving the monetary pol-
icy goals that Congress has given us: maximum employment and price stability. We
pursue these goals based solely on data and objective analysis, and we are com-
mitted to doing so in a clear and transparent manner. Today I will review the cur-
rent economic situation before turning to monetary policy.
Current Economic Situation and Outlook
Over the first half of 2021, ongoing vaccinations have led to a reopening of the
economy and strong economic growth, supported by accommodative monetary and
fiscal policy. Real gross domestic product this year appears to be on track to post
its fastest rate of increase in decades. Household spending is rising at an especially
rapid pace, boosted by strong fiscal support, accommodative financial conditions,
and the reopening of the economy. Housing demand remains very strong, and over-
all business investment is increasing at a solid pace. As described in the Monetary
Policy Report, supply constraints have been restraining activity in some industries,
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most notably in the motor vehicle industry, where the worldwide shortage of semi-
conductors has sharply curtailed production so far this year.
Conditions in the labor market have continued to improve, but there is still a long
way to go. Labor demand appears to be very strong; job openings are at a record
high, hiring is robust, and many workers are leaving their current jobs to search
for better ones. Indeed, employers added 1.7 million workers from April through
June. However, the unemployment rate remained elevated in June at 5.9 percent,
and this figure understates the shortfall in employment, particularly as participa-
tion in the labor market has not moved up from the low rates that have prevailed
for most of the past year. Job gains should be strong in coming months as public
health conditions continue to improve and as some of the other pandemic-related
factors currently weighing them down diminish.
As discussed in the Monetary Policy Report, the pandemic-induced declines in em-
ployment last year were largest for workers with lower wages and for African Amer-
icans and Hispanics. Despite substantial improvements for all racial and ethnic
groups, the hardest-hit groups still have the most ground left to regain.
Inflation has increased notably and will likely remain elevated in coming months
before moderating. Inflation is being temporarily boosted by base effects, as the
sharp pandemic-related price declines from last spring drop out of the 12-month cal-
culation. In addition, strong demand in sectors where production bottlenecks or
other supply constraints have limited production has led to especially rapid price
increases for some goods and services, which should partially reverse as the effects
of the bottlenecks unwind. Prices for services that were hard hit by the pandemic
have also jumped in recent months as demand for these services has surged with
the reopening of the economy.
To avoid sustained periods of unusually low or high inflation, the Federal Open
Market Committee’s (FOMC) monetary policy framework seeks longer-term inflation
expectations that are well anchored at 2 percent, the Committee’s longer-run infla-
tion objective. Measures of longer-term inflation expectations have moved up from
their pandemic lows and are in a range that is broadly consistent with the FOMC’s
longer-run inflation goal. Two boxes in the July Monetary Policy Report discuss re-
cent developments in inflation and inflation expectations.
Sustainably achieving maximum employment and price stability depends on a sta-
ble financial system, and we continue to monitor vulnerabilities here. While asset
valuations have generally risen with improving fundamentals as well as increased
investor risk appetite, household balance sheets are, on average, quite strong, busi-
ness leverage has been declining from high levels, and the institutions at the core
of the financial system remain resilient.
Monetary Policy
I will now turn to monetary policy. At our June meeting, the FOMC kept the Fed-
eral funds rate near zero and maintained the pace of our asset purchases. These
measures, along with our strong guidance on interest rates and on our balance
sheet, will ensure that monetary policy will continue to deliver powerful support to
the economy until the recovery is complete.
We continue to expect that it will be appropriate to maintain the current target
range for the Federal funds rate until labor market conditions have reached levels
consistent with the Committee’s assessment of maximum employment and inflation
has risen to 2 percent and is on track to moderately exceed 2 percent for some time.
As the Committee reiterated in our June policy statement, with inflation having run
persistently below 2 percent, we will aim to achieve inflation moderately above 2
percent for some time so that inflation averages 2 percent over time and longer-term
inflation expectations remain well anchored at 2 percent. As always, in assessing
the appropriate stance of monetary policy, we will continue to monitor the implica-
tions of incoming information for the economic outlook and would be prepared to ad-
just the stance of monetary policy as appropriate if we saw signs that the path of
inflation or longer-term inflation expectations were moving materially and persist-
ently beyond levels consistent with our goal.
In addition, we are continuing to increase our holdings of Treasury securities and
agency mortgage-backed securities at least at their current pace until substantial
further progress has been made toward our maximum-employment and price-sta-
bility goals. These purchases have materially eased financial conditions and are pro-
viding substantial support to the economy.
At our June meeting, the Committee discussed the economy’s progress toward our
goals since we adopted our asset purchase guidance last December. While reaching
the standard of ‘‘substantial further progress’’ is still a ways off, participants expect
that progress will continue. We will continue these discussions in coming meetings.
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As we have said, we will provide advance notice before announcing any decision to
make changes to our purchases.
We understand that our actions affect communities, families, and businesses
across the country. Everything we do is in service to our public mission. The re-
sumption of our Fed Listens initiative will further strengthen our ongoing efforts
to learn from a broad range of groups about how they are recovering from the eco-
nomic hardships brought on by the pandemic. We at the Federal Reserve will do
everything we can to support the recovery and foster progress toward our statutory
goals of maximum employment and stable prices.
Thank you. I am happy to take your questions.
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RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR TOOMEY
FROM JEROME H. POWELL
Q.1. At the Banking Committee’s July 15, 2021, hearing, you testi-
fied that the Treasury markets lost functionality during the worst
phases of the market turmoil resulting from the COVID–19 crisis
last year.
In your view, what are the most immediate concerns with respect
to the efficiency and resiliency of the Treasury cash and futures
markets?
A.1. Treasury markets are currently functioning in the efficient
manner that we expect and that the stability of the financial sys-
tem requires. Given the importance of Treasury markets, the Fed-
eral Reserve Board (Board) is actively working with the other agen-
cies in the Inter-Agency Working Group on Treasury Market Sur-
veillance (IAWG) to ensure that these markets remain resilient.1
The IAWG has publicly set out several areas of work on Treasury
market resilience, focusing on five specific areas:2
1. Improving data quality and availability.
2. Improving resilience of market intermediation.
3. Evaluating expanded central clearing.
4. Enhancing trading venue transparency and oversight.
5. Examining effects of leverage and fund liquidity risk manage-
ment practices.
The related work streams are still at a preliminary stage. The
Federal Reserve is committed to working with other agencies and
with market participants to ensure a resilient market for U.S.
Treasury securities.
Q.2. What are the Federal Reserve’s intentions with addressing
those concerns?
A.2. In addition to its work with the IAWG, the Federal Reserve
is actively examining steps that we can take to improve Treasury
market resilience.
As you are aware, the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC)
recently established both a domestic standing repo facility and a
standing repurchase agreement facility for foreign and inter-
national monetary authorities (the FIMA Repo Facility). We believe
these facilities can help address pressures in money markets that
could impede effective implementation of monetary policy. By act-
ing as a backstop, these facilities can also reduce stresses in U.S.
Treasury securities and Treasury repo markets and help promote
Treasury market resilience while helping prevent these stresses
from spilling over more broadly to other U.S. financial markets.
The Federal Reserve also continues to consider ways to adapt the
supplementary leverage ratio to the current higher-reserves envi-
ronment. The Board has long preferred for leverage requirements
to be a backstop to risk-based capital requirements. When leverage
requirements instead are a firm’s most stringent capital require-
1Members of the IAWG include the Board of Governors, the Commodity Futures Trading
Commission, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Securities and Exchange Commission,
and the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
2See, https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0116#3.
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ment, it may create incentives for the firm to substitute out of low-
risk assets and toward higher-risk assets and could also
disincentivize intermediation in Treasury markets.
The Federal Reserve is also working to finalize a rule that would
require certain banks to report their Treasury and agency debt and
mortgage-backed securities transactions to the Financial Industry
Regulatory Authority’s Trade Reporting and Compliance Engine to
help increase resilience of Treasury markets.
Q.3. Are there reforms or actions that other Federal financial regu-
lators with oversight responsibilities for the Treasury cash and fu-
tures markets should be pursuing?
A.3. Several of the workstreams proposed by the IAWG will largely
involve other agencies. The Securities and Exchange Commission
(SEC) has primary oversight of many Treasury market trading
venues and has already proposed and received comment on poten-
tial rule changes that would subject certain trading platforms that
are dedicated to trading in Treasury or agency debt to more strin-
gent reporting and disclosure requirements. The IAWG is also con-
sidering whether expanded central clearing of Treasury cash and
repo transactions would promote greater resilience. The SEC will
play a key role in this workstream as well given its role as the pri-
mary regulator of the Fixed Income Clearing Corporation—the en-
tity that centrally clears both Treasury cash and repo transactions.
Q.4. SEC Chairman Gary Gensler has stated that his agency is ex-
amining whether the settlement cycle for equities securities should
be faster than the current T+2 standard. Reducing the settlement
time would decrease risks associated with the settlement process
and reduce the amounts needed to be posted as collateral.
Do you support efforts to reduce the settlement cycle timeframe
for equities?
A.4. The Federal Reserve recognizes the critical role that pay-
ments, clearing, and settlement activities play in the functioning of
the financial system, and we support efforts that promote the safe-
ty and efficiency of core infrastructure supporting these markets,
including equities. We will continue to monitor developments by
market participants and the Depository Trust and Clearing Cor-
poration (DTCC) as this effort moves forward.
Q.5. Will there need to be any changes to coordinate with the pay-
ments settlement cycle overseen by the Federal Reserve?
A.5. At this time, we are not aware of any necessary changes with
the payments systems overseen by the Federal Reserve needed to
facilitate a move from a T+2 to a T+1 settlement cycle for equities.
Q.6. During the Banking Committee’s July 15, 2021, hearing, you
distinguished climate scenario analysis (i.e., an exercise not tied to
capital requirements) from traditional stress testing, which the
Federal Reserve uses to set minimum capital requirements for
large banks. While I was glad to hear you do not intend to change
capital requirements based on climate-related risks, I remain con-
cerned that you believe climate scenario analysis is ‘‘a direction
we’ll go in.’’ Too often, proposals to assess climate-related risks are
based on highly uncertain climate models. In July 2021, the Finan-
cial Stability Board acknowledged this uncertainty, stating in a re-
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port that ‘‘financial institutions’ exposures to climate-related risks
are generally subject to greater uncertainty than those relating to
other financial risks.’’ This report underscores the fact that finan-
cial regulators have neither the experience nor expertise to develop
accurate climate scenarios.
Given these limitations, what benefits do you believe would be
generated by climate scenario analysis conducted by the Federal
Reserve that could not be produced by similar exercises conducted
by private institutions?
A.6. Congress has assigned the Federal Reserve narrow but impor-
tant mandates around monetary policy, financial stability, and su-
pervision of financial firms. Consistent with our statutory man-
dates, the Federal Reserve expects supervised firms to manage all
material risks, including those relating to climate change. We are
taking a transparent, data-driven approach in assessing the poten-
tial for these risks to impact the macroeconomy, financial institu-
tions, and the financial system more broadly, and observing how
supervised firms are identifying, assessing, and monitoring these
risks.
Climate scenario analysis is one of many tools that certain large
banks and certain international supervisory authorities are devel-
oping to better understand the resiliency of banks to a range of po-
tential climate-related risks. As I stated at the hearing in July, cli-
mate scenario analysis is distinct from existing regulatory stress
tests for banks. Regulatory stress tests are used to assess capital
adequacy under specific shocks in the short term and have specific
consequences for capital and supervisory ratings. By contrast, cli-
mate-related scenarios analysis is typically longer-term and explor-
atory in nature and used to understand and evaluate the potential
impact of climate change on a bank’s risk profile and strategy
across a range of plausible scenarios.
Just as it is proving useful for large financial institutions and
other central banks, climate scenario analysis could be useful in re-
lation to our supervisory mandate and our focus on financial sta-
bility by informing our own understanding of the potential eco-
nomic and financial impact of different Government policies and
technological innovation related to climate change. There are, how-
ever, many challenges to this work. For example, the links between
emissions, temperature rise, and economic impact are all uncertain
and difficult to model, especially over a long-time horizon.
We are building our understanding in this area by engaging with
financial institutions, academics, and other central banks and insti-
tutions.
Q.7. During the first round of quantitative easing (QE) in the wake
of the 2008 recession, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke
made it clear that QE was not monetizing the debt. He said ‘‘Mone-
tizing the debt means using money creation as a permanent source
of financing for Government spending. In contrast, we are acquir-
ing Treasury securities on the open market and only on a tem-
porary basis, with the goal of supporting the economic recovery
through lower interest rates. At the appropriate time, the Federal
Reserve will gradually sell these securities or let them mature, as
needed, to return its balance sheet to a more normal size.’’ How-
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ever, as we know, the Federal Reserve did not return its balance
sheet to its precrisis trend.
Is the current period of QE somehow different or is it fair to
characterize the current use of QE as having been used to monetize
the debt?
A.7. Our asset purchases are neither intended nor designed to
monetize the Federal Government debt. They have been and will
continue to be determined by the needs to foster smooth market
functioning and accommodative financial conditions, in order to
promote our dual-mandate objectives. In early to mid-March 2020,
amid extreme volatility across the financial system, the functioning
of Treasury and agency mortgage-backed securities (MBS) markets
became severely impaired. The Federal Open Market Committee
(FOMC) recognized that continued dysfunction in these markets
would have led to an even deeper and broader seizing up of credit
markets and ultimately worsened the financial hardships that
many Americans were experiencing as a result of the pandemic.
The FOMC responded quickly and decisively with substantial pur-
chases of Treasury securities and agency MBS. These purchases
helped market conditions to improve significantly over the spring
of last year and, with these improvements, the Federal Reserve
slowed its pace of purchases. Then, to help foster continued smooth
market functioning and accommodative financial conditions, there-
by supporting the flow of credit to households and businesses as
the economy recovered from the pandemic shock, the FOMC contin-
ued securities purchases over the past several quarters. After the
FOMC’s most recent meeting, I said that the Committee reviewed
some considerations around how our asset purchases might be ad-
justed, including their pace and composition, once economic condi-
tions warrant a change. In coming meetings, the Committee will
again assess the economy’s progress toward our goals, and the tim-
ing of any change in the pace of our asset purchases will depend
on the incoming data. As we’ve said, we will provide advance notice
before making any changes to our purchases.
Q.8. Many have raised concerns that the Federal Reserve’s pur-
chases of Treasury bonds and mortgage-backed securities have con-
tributed to increased inflation, especially in the housing market,
while others argue that it has boosted affordability through lower
mortgage rates. In your view, which effect is stronger?
A.8. Our purchases of Treasury securities and agency mortgage-
backed securities have led to a material decrease in mortgage
rates, reducing the cost of borrowing to purchase a home. The re-
sulting increase in housing demand has contributed to strong house
price growth over the past year-and-a-half. Shortages of labor and
materials have constrained the housing supply in many parts of
the United States. Although the decline in rates in 2020 was a sig-
nificant factor boosting home sales and residential investment last
year, the impact would have been greater absent these supply con-
straints. Housing activity has remained elevated in 2021 relative
to prepandemic levels.
House prices do not affect inflation directly because they are not
used in calculating commonly used price indexes such as the Con-
sumer Price Index or the price index for Personal Consumption Ex-
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penditures. That said, strong housing demand may have boosted
inflation through other channels.
RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF
SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO FROM JEROME H. POWELL
Q.1. What research initiatives are underway at the Federal Re-
serve to consider the impact of the expansion of the Earned Income
Tax Credit and the Child Tax Credit on families, local commu-
nities, and the national economy?
A.1. Decisions on the appropriate size and structure of the Earned
Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit (CTC) are the re-
sponsibility of Congress and the Administration.
Federal Reserve system staff in recent years have researched
various ways in which the EITC and CTC can affect families, local
communities, and the national economy. Publications focused on
these topics can be found on the Board’s public website and
websites of the Reserve Banks, and a sample of recent writings is
provided below:
Aladangady, Aditya, Shifrah Aron-Dine, David Cashin, Wendy
Dunn, Laura Feiveson, Paul Lengermann, Katherine Richard,
and Claudia Sahm (2018). ‘‘High-Frequency Spending Responses
to the Earned Income Tax Credit’’, FEDS Notes, June 21. Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.
Anderson, Nathan (2021). ‘‘Advance Child Tax Credit Payments:
Increasing Support for Families With Children’’, Community De-
velopment and Policy Studies Blog, July 14. Federal Reserve
Bank of Chicago.
Isaacson, Maggie, and Hannah Rubinton (2021). ‘‘Childhood Income
Volatility’’, Economic Synopses, iss. 8. Federal Reserve Bank of
St. Louis.
McGranahan, Leslie (2016). ‘‘Tax Credits and the Debt Position of
U.S. Households’’, Working Paper Series, WP-2016-12. Federal
Reserve Bank of Chicago.
Neumark, David, and Peter Shirley (2020). ‘‘Long-Run Effects of
the Earned Income Tax Credit’’, Federal Reserve Bank of San
Francisco Economic Letter, vol. 2020, iss. 1.
Q.2. What research initiatives are underway regarding the hospi-
tality sector during and after the pandemic?
A.2. The leisure and hospitality sector was hard-hit by the pan-
demic, as activity in this industry was particularly affected by the
spread of COVID–19. Specifically, employment in this sector
dropped by more than 8 million jobs in the early stages of the pan-
demic. Moreover, despite seeing notable gains since then, employ-
ment in the leisure and hospitality sector in July 2021 remained
1.7 million jobs below its prepandemic level and accounted for more
than one-third of the overall difference in private employment rel-
ative to its February 2020 level.
In light of the important role that this industry has played in
driving swings in overall employment during the pandemic, the
Federal Reserve staff’s regular monitoring and analysis of labor
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market conditions has paid particularly close attention to develop-
ments in this sector.
Some of this analysis was presented in the February 2021 Mone-
tary Policy Report.1 In addition, a number of research efforts across
the Federal Reserve System have focused on various aspects of the
leisure and hospitality sector. A sample of recent writings is listed
below:
Sly, Nicholas, and Bethany Greene (2021), ‘‘Recovery in Rocky
Mountain Leisure and Hospitality Employment’’, Federal Reserve
Bank of Kansas City.
Knotek II, Edward S., Michael McMain, Raphael Schoenle, Alex-
ander Dietrich, Kristian Ove R. Myrseth, and Michael Weber
(2021), ‘‘Expected Post-Pandemic Consumption and Scarred Ex-
pectations From COVID–19’’, Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland.
Garcia Luna, Erick (2021), ‘‘Hospitality and Janitorial Workers in
the Twin Cities Have Faced Disproportionate Challenges During
COVID–19’’, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis.
Q.3. What research initiatives are underway regarding job qual-
ity—jobs with living wages, good benefits, stable hours and flexi-
bility—during and after the pandemic?
A.3. There are several research initiatives within the Federal Re-
serve System that touch on various aspects of job quality. One par-
ticularly relevant example is the initiative ‘‘Increasing the Quality
of Jobs’’ that was led by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston. The
initiative involves both research and outreach activities aimed at
promoting improvements in job quality.2 As part of its research ac-
tivities, the initiative convened a Job Quality Research Consortium
that was composed of scholars working on this topic, with the goal
of sharing ongoing analysis and identifying areas for further study.
Some of the analysis the initiative has generated (listed below for
reference) include, respectively, a study on the potential for more-
equitable paid sick leave, a study on the downstream benefits of
higher incomes and wages, and a study on access to health care
among essential frontline workers in the early stages of the pan-
demic.
Chaganti, Sara (2021), ‘‘Pandemic Response Reveals Potential for
More Equitable Paid Sick Leave Coverage in the Northeast’’,
Community Development Issue Briefs 21-2, Federal Reserve
Bank of Boston.
Godoy, Anna, and Ken Jacobs (2021), ‘‘The Downstream Benefits of
Higher Incomes and Wages’’, Community Development Discus-
sion Papers 21-1.
Chaganti, Sara, Amy Higgins, and Marybeth J. Mattingly (2020),
‘‘Health Insurance and Essential Service Workers in New Eng-
land: Who Lacks Access To Care for COVID–19?’’ Community
Development Issue Briefs 20-3, Federal Reserve Bank of Boston.
1See the boxes ‘‘Monitoring Economic Activity With Nontraditional High-Frequency Indica-
tors’’ and ‘‘Disparities in Job Loss During the Pandemic’’ in the February 2021 Monetary Policy
Report, available at https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/2021-02-mpr-summary.htm.
2See, https://www.bostonfed.org/community-development/expanding-employment-opportuni-
ties/increasing-the-quality-of-jobs.aspx.
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Q.4. The Federal Reserve’s Monetary Policy Report does not men-
tion poverty. What research has the various Federal Reserve Banks
published on the impact of fiscal policy in response to the COVID–
19 pandemic—the American Rescue Plan, CARES, the appropria-
tions bill, etc.—have on poverty rates for American families?
A.4. The Federal Reserve has devoted considerable effort to under-
standing how the recession caused by the COVID–19 pandemic has
affected low-income U.S. households. For instance, the June 2020
Monetary Policy Report contains analysis documenting the dis-
proportionately large employment losses suffered by low-wage
workers during the pandemic.3 Another example is the Federal Re-
serve’s Survey of Household Economics and Decisionmaking
(SHED). The results of a supplemental version of the SHED, field-
ed in April of 2020, reveal significantly greater job loss among
households with incomes of less than $40,000 as compared to all
households.4 The 2020 annual edition of the survey reveals that
adults with less than a high school degree fell further behind those
with higher levels of education in terms of financial well-being; the
2020 SHED also shows that the financial hardship caused by the
pandemic appears to have been importantly counterbalanced by fi-
nancial relief and stimulus measures, including the Coronavirus
Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act).5
Unfortunately, both data and research tend to lag events on the
ground and the official U.S. poverty statistics are currently only
available through 2019—a fact which limits the amount of research
currently available on U.S. poverty since the onset of COVID–19.
Below is a selected list of research publications by Federal Re-
serve System staff on fiscal policy and low income/poverty in the
COVID era:
Dettling, Lisa J., and Lauren Lambie-Hanson (2021). ‘‘Why Is the
Default Rate So Low? How Economic Conditions and Public Poli-
cies Have Shaped Mortgage and Auto Delinquencies During the
COVID–19 Pandemic’’, FEDS Notes, March 4. Board of Gov-
ernors of the Federal Reserve System.
Falcettoni, Elena, and Vegard Nygaard (2021). ‘‘Acts of Congress
and COVID–19: A Literature Review on the Impact of Increased
Unemployment Insurance Benefits and Stimulus Checks’’, FEDS
Notes, February 24. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System.
Larrimore, Jeff, Jacob Mortenson, and David Splinter (2021).
‘‘Earnings Shocks and Stabilization During COVID–19’’, Finance
and Economics Discussion Series 2021-052. Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System.
Lee, Donghoon, Rajashri Chakrabarti, Andrew F. Haughwout,
Joelle Scally, William Nober, and Wilbert Van der Klaauw
(2020). ‘‘Debt Relief and the CARES Act: Which Borrowers Ben-
efit the Most?’’ Liberty Street Economics, August. Federal Re-
serve Bank of New York.
3See the box titled ‘‘Disparities in Job Loss During the Pandemic’’ in Monetary Policy Report,
Federal Reserve Board, June 12, 2020.
4See, ‘‘Report on the Economic Well-Being of U.S. Households in 2019, Featuring Supple-
mental Data From April 2020’’, Federal Reserve Board, May 2020.
5See, ‘‘Economic Well-Being of U.S. Households in 2020’’, Federal Reserve Board, May 2021.
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Mattiuzzi, Elizabeth, and Eileen Hodge (2020). ‘‘COVID–19 Im-
pacts on Housing Stability in the Twelfth Federal Reserve Dis-
trict’’, Community Development Research Brief, vol. 2020, iss. 06.
Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.
Rajan, Aastha, and Ezra Karger (2020). ‘‘Heterogeneity in the Mar-
ginal Propensity to Consume: Evidence From COVID–19 Stim-
ulus Payments’’, Working Paper Series, WP-2020-15. Federal Re-
serve Bank of Chicago.
Tran, Thao, and Ying Lei Toh (2020). ‘‘Pandemic Relief Has Aided
Low-Income Individuals: Evidence From Alternative Financial
Services’’, Economic Bulletin, December. Federal Reserve Bank of
Kansas City.
Q.5. Some analysts anticipate economic growth as high as 7 per-
cent. If we experience an economic boom, which reports has the
Federal Reserve published—or currently writing—which provides
some options of approaches that could give us a unique chance to
experience robust economic growth that benefits all workers, fami-
lies, and the environment?
A.5. Our new monetary policy framework is designed to promote
the achievement of price stability and maximum employment, the
dual mandate assigned to us by Congress. In particular, the Fed-
eral Open Market Committee (FOMC) has a broad-based and inclu-
sive goal for maximum employment that focuses on minimizing
shortfalls of employment from its maximum level and reflects our
belief that a robust labor market can be sustained without causing
an outbreak of inflation.6 As we observed in the latter stages of the
2009 to 2019 expansion, pushing the economy toward maximum
employment allows all workers and families, especially the eco-
nomically disadvantaged, to benefit from economic growth. Mate-
rials describing the review of monetary policy strategy that led to
our current framework can be found on our website.7
The Federal Reserve publishes a number of reports assessing the
economic well-being of Americans that can be informative for pol-
icymakers designing economic policies to benefit all workers and
families. The Survey of Household and Economic Decisionmaking,
for example, asks individuals about important economic events and
decisions in their lives. It is the source of the often-cited statistic
on the share of households that would not be able to use liquid sav-
ings to cover an unexpected $400 expense. The SCF provides high-
quality data on household wealth, income, and consumption and is
the source of much of the recent research on increases in inequality
in wealth and income in the United States. In addition, we have
combined data from the SCF with our Financial Accounts data to
produce the Distributional Financial Accounts (DFAs), which pro-
vide quarterly updates on the wealth of low-, middle-, and high-in-
come households. The DFAs also report quarterly data on house-
hold wealth by age, education, and race.
6See the FOMC’s Statement on Longer-Run Goals and Monetary Policy Strategy for a de-
scription of the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy framework.
7See, ‘‘Review of Monetary Policy Strategy, Tools, and Communication’’.
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Q.6. Please provide any research from the Federal Reserve Banks
regarding best practicesin helping homeowners recover from delin-
quency and avoid foreclosure?
A.6. Over the years, the Federal Reserve System has dedicated sig-
nificant research efforts regarding mortgage delinquency and fore-
closure, including best practices to support homeowners in recov-
ering from delinquency and avoiding foreclosure. Many of the stud-
ies analyze the impacts on homeowners and implications of policies
and practices designed to support mortgage borrowers who are
struggling to make payments.
Research related to these issues is publicly available on the
Board’s and the Reserve Bank’s websites. Please see below, a sam-
ple of recent research published by economists and researchers at
the Board and Reserve Banks:
An, Xudong, and Lawrence R. Cordell (2019). ‘‘Mortgage Loss
Severities: What Keeps Them so High?’’ Working Papers 19-19.
Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia.
Calem, Paul S., Lauren Lambie-Hanson, Leonard I. Nakamura,
and Jeanna Kenney (2018). ‘‘Appraising Home Purchase Apprais-
als’’, Working Papers 18-28. Federal Reserve Bank of Philadel-
phia.
Garriga, Carlos, and Aaron Hedlund (2019). ‘‘Crises in the Housing
Market: Causes, Consequences, and Policy Lessons’’, Working Pa-
pers 2019-33. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.
Lazaryan, Nika, and Urvi Neelakantan (2016). ‘‘Monetary Incen-
tives and Mortgage Renegotiation Outcomes’’, Economic Quar-
terly, vol. 102, no. 2, pp. 147–168. Federal Reserve Bank of Rich-
mond.
Q.7. The Monetary Policy Report mentions retirements from baby
boomers as a reason for a lower workforce participation rate. An
employment-to-population ratio that adjusts foraging could capture
those that are undercounted by the unemployment rate. Would the
Federal Reserve consider incorporating an age measure into their
quarterly projections and public assessments of maximum employ-
ment?
A.7. When the FOMC revised its Statement of Longer-Run Goals
and Monetary Policy Strategy (consensus statement) in August
2020, we unanimously agreed that our statutory goal of ‘‘maximum
employment’’ is ‘‘a broad-based and inclusive goal that is not di-
rectly measurable and changes over time owing largely to non-
monetary factors that affect the structure and dynamics of the
labor market.’’ The role of the retirements of baby boomers in con-
tributing to the reduction in the labor force participation rate is
one example of such a nonmonetary factor. It is, however, just one
example.
In the pursuit of maximum employment as a broad-based and in-
clusive goal, we routinely consult research, analyses, and com-
mentary on a wide range of indicators about different aspects of
the labor market. In judging the performance of the labor market
relative to our goal of maximum employment, the lengthy list of
variables the FOMC might assess includes measures of unemploy-
ment, labor force participation, wages, and other variables both at
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the aggregate level and across different demographic groups.8 Be-
cause the list is long, and because the variables that deserve the
most weight can change over time, adding prominence to one par-
ticular variable could hinder the FOMC’s communications, and in-
directly, its policy deliberations. Moreover, while the Summary of
Economic Projections (SEP) is helpful for conveying information to
the public regarding individual FOMC participants’ views of the
economic outlook, participants can differ on the importance they at-
tach to various labor market indicators.
RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR SINEMA
FROM JEROME H. POWELL
Q.1. How is the current rise in coronavirus cases, primarily driven
by the delta variant, factoring into the Fed’s outlook for economic
growth? What, if any, epidemiological modeling is the Fed using to
inform that outlook, if applicable?
A.1. Throughout the pandemic, my colleagues and I at the Federal
Reserve have said that the economic outlook importantly depends
on the course of the virus; that remains the case. In addition, we
have observed that the economic implications of successive waves
of COVID–19 infections have tended to diminish. At least two fac-
tors may be at play here. First, vaccinations appear to reduce its
severity among the vaccinated, leading to increased comfort with
resuming normal activities. Second, we are learning how to better
cope with the virus in our everyday life. For example, many people
have adjusted their behaviors to reduce the risk of infection, and
many businesses have found new ways of operating.
Even so, it is plausible that the spread of the delta variant could
be having an adverse effect on economic activity (or that other
variants could do so in the future). The spread of the delta variant
and the associated increase in case counts may be leading some
people to pull back from travel or dining out because of the risk
of infection, and it may be leading some people to delay their re-
turn to the labor force, particularly if schools alter their plans for
reopening in the coming weeks.
To inform our thinking about the economic outlook, we continue
to closely monitor data on COVID–19 cases, hospitalizations, and
deaths in the U.S. and abroad, as well as a variety of high-fre-
quency economic indicators. We pay considerable attention to what
epidemiologists are saying about the transmissibility and the sever-
ity of the COVID–19 variants, the efficacy of vaccines in the face
of those variants, and the pace of vaccinations. We also monitor the
responses of public health authorities, as the actions they take may
have economic consequences.
Although a significant share of the population has been vac-
cinated, further progress on this front is key, as the economy is un-
likely to fully recover until most people are confident that it is safe
to resume activities involving groups of people.
8See, https://www.federalreserve.gov/mediacenter/files/FOMCpresconf20210728.pdf.
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RESPONSES TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR DAINES
FROM JEROME H. POWELL
Q.1. Many have raised concerns that the Federal Reserve’s pur-
chases of Treasury Bonds and Mortgage Backed Securities have fed
inflation, especially in the housing market. Other argue that those
actions have boosted affordability. Can you say which effect is
stronger?
The limited supply of housing is a national issue and is also feed-
ing inflation. Would the Fed’s efforts to ease rates have a more ro-
bust effect if supply was in balance?
A.1. Our purchases of Treasury securities and agency mortgage-
backed securities have led to a material decrease in mortgage
rates, reducing the cost of borrowing to purchase a home. The re-
sulting increase in housing demand has contributed to strong house
price growth over the past year-and-a-half. Shortages of labor and
materials have constrained the housing supply in many parts of
the United States. Although the decline in rates in 2020 was a sig-
nificant factor boosting home sales and residential investment last
year, the impact would have been greater absent these supply con-
straints. Housing activity has remained elevated in 2021 relative
to prepandemic levels.
House prices do not affect inflation directly because they are not
used in calculating commonly used price indexes such as the Con-
sumer Price Index or the price index for Personal Consumption Ex-
penditures. That said, strong housing demand may have boosted
inflation through other channels.
Q.2. Given positive changes to bank balance sheets throughout the
pandemic-induced downturn, and their strong state today, how do
you think the leverage ratio and other regulatory requirements
based on balance sheet size and growth should be adjusted?
A.2. The Federal Reserve Board (Board) has long maintained that
leverage capital requirements are most effective as a backstop to
risk-based capital requirements. Where a leverage requirement
serves as a firm’s binding capital requirement, it can skew incen-
tives for the firm to substitute low-risk assets for high-risk ones.
Prior to the onset of COVID–19, the levels of capital and of over-
all loss absorbency in the banking system were generally appro-
priate. Strengthened by a decade of improvements in capital, li-
quidity, and risk management, banks have continued to be a source
of strength during the pandemic. We continuously evaluate the re-
siliency of banks and monitor financial and economic conditions to
help determine the effectiveness of the regulatory framework. As
we continue to engage in these efforts, we will consider changes in
balance sheet size and growth while aiming to maintain the overall
strength of bank capital requirements.
Q.3. What potential threats do you see to America and to the world
from China’s development of a Digital Yuan? Will this topic be ad-
dressed in the Fed’s upcoming research report on digital cur-
rencies?
A.3. Every country approaches decisions about whether and when
to issue a central bank digital currency (CBDC) based on dynamics
unique to its own context. For example, many of the motivations
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cited by other jurisdictions, such as rapidly declining cash use,
weak financial institutions, and underdeveloped payment systems,
are not shared by the United States.
The global appeal of the dollar is rooted in the United States’
transparent and accountable institutions, reliable rule of law, deep
financial markets, flexible exchange rate, and open capital account.
New technological designs of other currencies will not alter the im-
portance of nor change these features, especially in the near term.
That said, given the dollar’s important role globally, we recognize
that it is essential that the United States remain on the frontier
of research and policy development regarding CBDC. We continue
to closely monitor many central banks’ progress on CBDC, includ-
ing that of China.
Our forthcoming discussion paper will cover a broad range of
issues related to digital payments and CBDC and will invite public
comment. We are committed to hearing a wide range of voices to
inform any decision on whether or how to move forward with a
U.S. CBDC, taking account of the broader risks and opportunities.
Irrespective of the conclusion we ultimately reach, we expect to
play a leading role in developing international standards for
CBDCs, engaging actively with central banks in other jurisdictions
as well as regulators and supervisors here in the United States
throughout that process.
Q.4. You mentioned during the hearing that cyberthreats to the fi-
nancial system are among your biggest worries. Could you provide
an overview of what recent actions the Federal Reserve has taken,
and what the Fed is currently doing, to ward off future
cyberattacks?
A.4. The Board views the security of the financial system as a high
priority and recognizes the risks posed by malicious cyberactors to
the Federal Reserve, other financial institutions and the broader fi-
nancial system.
The Board actively engages on cybersecurity issues with key
stakeholders including the Federal banking agencies, other Govern-
ment agencies, and industry. We routinely monitor cybersecurity
threats and ensure appropriate responses to incidents that could
affect the operations of the Federal Reserve or supervised institu-
tions.
The Board is also an active participant and leader in inter-
national groups addressing the cyber resiliency of the global finan-
cial system, including the Financial Stability Board, the Basel
Committee on Banking Supervision, the Committee on Payment
and Market Infrastructures (and its joint efforts with the Inter-
national Organization of Securities Commissions), the Inter-
national Association of Insurance Supervisors, and the Group of
Seven. The Board closely coordinates with other international
agencies, governance bodies, financial regulators, and industry, to
share information and best practices.
Additionally, the Board regulates and supervises certain finan-
cial institutions to ensure that they operate in a safe and sound
manner and comply with all applicable laws and regulations. We
continue to emphasize that financial institutions should monitor
and mitigate cyberthreats and remain vigilant and resilient.
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Recent examples of supervisory policies include:
• In October 2020, the Board together with other Federal bank-
ing agencies, published a paper outlining sound practices to as-
sist the largest and most complex financial institutions with
the development of comprehensive approaches to operational
resilience, including resilience to cyberthreats. The paper
leverages existing regulations and provides information on how
to detect, defend against, and respond to common cyberthreats,
such as data destruction, theft, malware, and denial of service.
The guidance is aligned with common industry standards such
as the National Institute of Standards and Technology Cyber-
security Framework and best practices managing cyberrisk.
• In January 2021, the Federal banking agencies proposed com-
puter-security incident notification requirements for banking
organizations and their bank service providers. In general, the
proposed rule would require a banking organization or bank
service provider to provide notice of an incident that could ma-
terially disrupt, degrade, or impair its business operations or
services. The timely notification of incidents would enhance
Federal banking agencies’ abilities to assess and quickly re-
spond to potential risks such incidents may pose to the super-
vised entity and the banking system as a whole.
• The Board contributed significantly to the effort to update the
Federal Financial Institution Examination Council (FFIEC)
Architecture, Infrastructure, and Operations (AIO) booklet of
the IT Handbook which was published on June 30, 2021. The
booklet is designed to assist examiners from each of the FFIEC
member agencies when assessing the risk profile and adequacy
of an entity’s information technology architecture, infrastruc-
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Cite this document
APA
Jerome H. Powell (2021, July 14). Congressional Testimony. Testimony, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/testimony_20210715_chair_the_semiannual_monetary_policy_report
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_testimony_20210715_chair_the_semiannual_monetary_policy_report,
author = {Jerome H. Powell},
title = {Congressional Testimony},
year = {2021},
month = {Jul},
howpublished = {Testimony, Federal Reserve},
url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/testimony_20210715_chair_the_semiannual_monetary_policy_report},
note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}