Congressional Testimony

FEDERAL RESERVE'S FIRST MONETARY POLICY REPORT FOR 1990 HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIKS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FIRST CONGRESS SECOND SESSION ON OVERSIGHT ON THE MONETARY POLICY REPORT TO CONGRESS PURSU- ANT TO THE FULL EMPLOYMENT AND BALANCED GROWTH ACT OF 1978 FEBRUARY 22, 1990 Printed for the use of the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE WASHINGTON : 1990 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS DONALD W. RIEGLE, JR., Michigan, Chairman ALAN CRANSTON, California JAKE GARN, Utah PAUL S. SARBANES, Maryland JOHN HEINZ, Pennsylvania CHRISTOPHER J. DODD. Connecticut ALFONSE M. D'AMATO, New York ALAN J. DIXON, Illinois PHIL GRAMM. Texas JIM SASSER. Tennessee CHRISTOPHER S. BOND, Missouri TERRY SANFORD, North Carolina CONNIE MACK, Florida RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama WILLIAM V. ROTH, JR. Delaware BOB GRAHAM. Florida NANCY LANDON KASSEBAUM, Kansas TIMOTHY E. WIRTH, Colorado LARRY PRESSLER, South Dakota JOHN F. KERRY, Massachusetts RICHARD H. BRYAN, Nevada KEVIN C. GOTTLIEB, Staff Director LAMAR SMITH, Republican Staff Director and Economist STEVEN B. HARRIS, General Counsel PATRICK J. LAWLKR, Chief Economist (lit Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis CONTENTS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1990 Page Opening statement of Chairman Riegle 1 Opening statements of: Senator Garn 2 Senator Heinz 3 Senator Shelby 4 Senator D'Amato 5 Senator Graham 6 Senator Dixon 7 Senator Sanford 63 Senator Kerry 65 WITNESS Alan Greenspan, Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System 7 Prepared statement 14 Economic and monetary policy developments in 1989 15 The ultimate objectives and medium-term strategy of monetary policy 17 Monetary policy and the economic outlook for 1990 20 Risks to the economic outlook 23 International financial markets and monetary policy 25 Considerations regarding immediate release of FOMC operating deci- sions 30 Monetary policy report to Congress 35 Response to written questions from: Senator Riegle 98 Senator Kerry 108 Senator Pressler 135 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis FEDERAL RESERVE'S FIRST MONETARY POLICY REPORT FOR 1990 THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1990 U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS, Washington, DC. The committee met at 10 a.m., in room SD-538, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Senator Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (chairman of the committee) presiding. Present: Senators Riegle, Sarbanes, Dixon, Sasser, Sanford, Shelby, Graham, Kerry, Garn, Heinz, D'Amato, Mack, and Pres- sler. OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN RIEGLE The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order. Let me welcome all in attendance. Today, we have with us Alan Greenspan, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, who will discuss the Fed's semiannual report on its monetary policy inten- tions, as required by the Full Employment and Balance Growth Act of 1978. I think it's worth covering a few points and then I will call on my colleagues before we hear from Chairman Greenspan. We have now gone some 7 years without a recession and without a major resurgence in inflation and certainly the Fed has played an important role during this period. At the same time, we have suffered through some of the highest interest rates adjusted for in- flation in our history and even with enormous inflows of foreign capital, all of which will have to be paid back some day, these high real interest rates have obviously had the effect of curtailing net investment in productive capital activity in the United States. In recent years the share of our net production devoted to new facili- ties is the lowest since the Great Depression. Obviously these are alarming trends when one looks at our trade deficit and the fact that we'd like to continue to consume a large volume of goods and services, and there's an obvious problem if we are not producing as much as we are consuming. High interest rates at home have certainly not helped U.S. firms compete overseas. Our trade deficits have been huge, turning us from the world's largest creditor to the world's largest debtor. In the midst of our current prosperity, such as it is, employment in manufacturing has been stagnant at best and has declined steadily over the past year. (1) Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis The sudden rise last month of long-term interest rates follows similar increases overseas, and they raise a serious question, which we raised with Chairman Greenspan here just several days ago and postponed discussion until today, and that is the degree to which our own monetary policy latitude may well be affected in larger and larger degree by events taking place in the rest of the world. Financial events and circumstances may now have reached a size and magnitude in the aggregate that our ability to fine-tune our own economy through monetary policy may be changing in impor- tant ways and I think we need to understand the dynamics that are at work in that area. You were kind enough to respond in your formal statement to those concerns, and we will have a chance to discuss that somewhat further today. I am also interested in hearing your thoughts on the increased use of debt throughout our economy. Obviously the failure of Drexel Burnham brings into focus the issue of junk bonds and the role that they play. But I would be interested in your thoughts on what other risks there may be out there in our financial institu- tions—whether in thrifts, insurance companies, pension funds, in- vestment banks, and possibly others—as a result of the build-up of debt in general and more particularly some of the effects of recent problems in the junk bond market that may spill over in other di- rections. Those will be some of the areas that we will want to get into with you this morning. Let me call on Senator Garn. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR GARN Senator GARN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Greenspan notes in his prepared statement that last year marked the seventh year of the longest peacetime expansion of the U.S. economy on record. I think that's a remarkable achieve- ment which should not be overlooked as we focus on the remaining macroeconomic problems like inflation and the trade deficit. While I have sometimes been a critic of monetary policy myself, I nevertheless recognize the extent to which the by-and-large pru- dent policies of the Federal Reserve deserve the credit for our eco- nomic achievements. Far too often the other parts of Government have complicated the Fed's job rather than helping out. This was certainly true when Congress in 1986 refused to recapi- talize FSLIC. It's true today that those responsible for fiscal policy continue to depress our Nation's saving rate by inflating the Feder- al deficit. But fiscal policy is not the only place where the Fed could use some help. While we continue to enjoy the benefits of this economic expansion that began in 1982, now is the time for us to be making the structural changes that will enable our economy to respond as it should to the economic challenges that clearly lie ahead. In this regard I certainly want to compliment Chairman Riegle for his efforts to focus Congress' attention on international com- petitive challenges before us. He is doing an outstanding job in ar- ticulating the challenges to the American financial services indus- try in particular that are continuing to grow both in Europe and in Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Asia. I support Chairman Riegle in his efforts to prepare our finan- cial institutions and our regulatory structure for the challenges ahead. Chairman Greenspan, I know you support these efforts as well and I hope you will use today's hearing as another opportunity for you to try to build a sense of urgency that we do need to proceed with legislative action in these areas. As important as monetary policy is and the things that you are here to discuss today, I am sure you know of my frustration after more than a decade of trying to modernize our domestic financial structure to be competitive in an increasingly competitive international and global marketplace. So I would hope you would have some comments today on that need for modernization within our own country. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Garn. Thank you for your personal comments. Senator Heinz. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR HEINZ Senator HEINZ. Mr. Chairman, I commend you on having this hearing. Of course, we are required to do it. Nonetheless, it's im- portant to give the public a sense that we are not only interested in, but concerned about, the management of the economy; particu- larly the critical role the Federal Reserve plays in it. I just want to indicate to Chairman Greenspan that I don't know of a time in the last 4 or 5 years when his stewardship and careful judgments could be more important to the health of the economy than they are now. It's my impression that our economy, because of the situation with interest rates, is balanced on a knife's edge and that the balancing act is possibly going to be determined by forces beyond our control. Those forces begin with the fact that we need to import close to $180 billion worth of capital annually in order to pay our bills and to the extent that other nations raise the cost of borrowing to themselves, they raise it to us. To the extent that the Japanese, the West Germans, or other demands for credit such as the opening of Eastern Europe raise the cost of funds they will surely be felt here. This of course puts Chairman Greenspan and the Federal Re- serve into the most unusual position of having to take into account in the conduct of monetary policy in this country those forces over which they have modest or little control other than through the ar- ticulate persuasiveness of the chairman. I have some questions in that regard. I just want to say to Alan Greenspan that there has never been, in my judgment, in recent times a more difficult period for the economy of this country. I think it's more difficult than when we went through the LDC debt and potential default problem. That was money that was a sunk cost. What we are going through now will have a very large poten- tial real effect on capital markets and I am glad, Alan, that you are here to do that job and to tell us how you are going to do it. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much, Senator Heinz. Senator Shelby. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, I have a written statement that I would like to introduce for the record. Then I have just a few brief comments, Mr. Chairman. A lot of the Americans—I won't say for the first time—but a lot of them are now realizing the impact that countries like Germany and Japan when they raise their interest rates and we are competing for their funds—what that means to this country. You, Mr. Chairman, have been talking about for a long time and some of us on this committee about a low savings rate where we are dependent on foreign markets to finance our debt here and this is really coming through now. It's obvious that this is some of the pressure that we're facing and been facing in the last few days and when you're into that—I don't know if you are going to get into that in your re- marks—but I certainly would like to pursue it in questioning. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR SHELBY Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, I am glad that you have sched- uled today's hearing. I appreciate the opportunity to hear from Chairman Greenspan his perspective of the future. Chairman Greenspan, I have read your testimony and heard the press reports that indicate that you believe that the recessionary trend of the past several months has bottomed out and that we can expect to continue on the path of economic expansion. That is indeed good news. While we've acknowledged for quite some time that we have en- tered a global era, recent increases in long term U.S. rates which followed increases in rates in Japan and West Germany, demon- strate that the economy of the United States is inextricably linked with those of other capitalist nations. To an increasing degree, issu- ers of debt compete for the same pool of funds from investors around the world. We cannot turn back the clock nor will we ever again see mar- kets delineated by geographic boundaries. Yet we must recognize our dependency on foreign investors and the consequences they can yield on our economy. Yes, we seem, at present, to be continuing along the path of economic expansion. Yet we remain on this path at the leniency of our creditors. It is imperative that we minimize our dependency on foreign in- vestors, by getting our fiscal house in order. Disappointingly, the administration, in its first budget, demonstrated the same unwill- ingness of the previous administration to make the tough choices, to determine where the cuts are going to come from, thus leaving Congress to fight it out. Chairman Greenspan, the recessionary trend of the past several months has made me concerned that the engine driving the U.S. economy may be running out of steam. Whether or not that is indeed the case at the moment, I believe that it is past time to start correcting the excesses of the past decade in order to mini- mize the severity of a recessionary correction. It is my hope that you will use your influence with the administration to address the issue of utmost importance, the budget deficit and must admit that Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis I am somewhat disappointed that such an influence is not more ob- vious in this year's budget blueprint. I appreciate your being here today and look forward to the ques- tion and answer period. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much, Senator Shelby. Senator D'Amato. Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman, if I might take the license of doing the same, and that is submitting my prepared statement as if read in its entirety for the record, and just make some observa- tions. First of all, let me welcome Chairman Greenspan and echo the sentiments of both of my colleagues, Senator Heinz and Senator Shelby, as it relates to the importance and difficulty of the job that you, Mr. Chairman, have. I do believe that perhaps you have helped to achieve that elusive goal of the soft landing. I also believe that it is absolutely imperative that we do all that we can to achieve an increased savings rate. I take some heart and some comfort in your remarks and I think you have been the clari- on voice years ago before your stewardship at the Fed saying that this is essential. So I echo Senator Shelby's comments and of course that goes to the point that Senator Heinz was making. If indeed interest rates in Japan and West Germany are higher, then of course our own borrowing is going to be affected. So consequent- ly the need to bring down that budget deficit and to increase our own savings rate becomes so much more important and I would like to pursue that when we have an opportunity to put some ques- tions to you. But again, I welcome the Chairman and I think that once again you have been able to see us through the dire consequences and predictions of the depression or the recession and that it really has been a soft landing. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR D'AMATO Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman, I join you in welcoming Chair- man Greenspan. I also welcome the Fed's report on monetary policy. Once again we have observed the effects of the Fed's steady hand on the money supply controls. It appears that we have avoid- ed the fruition of the dire predictions of recession and perhaps have actually achieved the illusive "soft landing". At least, it appears now that Chairman Greenspan has steered a course in monetary policy that has slowed growth without choking off the robust economy which has created jobs and increases oppor- tunity for all Americans. He and his colleagues at the Fed are to be congratulated. I am also heartened that disposable household income is growing faster than consumer spending. This has resulted in a healthy 5% percent increase in the savings for the last quarter of 1989. I con- tinue to believe that the tax code needs to be amended to correct its bias against savings. However, improvement in the savings rate, with or without changes in the tax code is good news and I am cer- tain that Chairman Greenspan is pleased as well. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 6 It is unfortunate that it now appears that progress against infla- tion is going to be difficult. However, so long as the Federal Gov- ernment continues to run large budget deficits we can expect only one miracle at a time from the Federal Reserve System. The "soft landing" and the prospects for continued moderate GNP growth demonstrate the resilience of the American economy. I hope that someday we in the Congress will order our fiscal house and really do something about inbedded inflation. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator D'Amato. Senator Mack. Senator MACK. Thank you. Welcome, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to your comments this morning and will be raising a question on monetary policy and price stability, but I think I will just wait until the question period and look forward to your comments. The CHAIRMAN. We have other colleagues enroute and Senator Graham from Florida has just arrived. Senator Graham, as you get seated, let me say that if you would like to make an opening com- ment at this point we would be happy to have it. Senator GRAHAM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have an opening statement which I will file for the record. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR GRAHAM Senator GRAHAM. Mr. Chairman, it is a pleasure to have Chair- man Greenspan report to us today on the conduct of monetary policy. As the Chairman has said before, monetary policy alone cannot provide the answers to our economic problems. The United States needs to have complimentary trade and fiscal policies, and to coordinate these policies with the administration's goals, the Congress and our trading partners. Chairman Greenspan, earlier this week you predicted inflation would be between 4 percent and 4.5 percent this year which was more or less the same as in 1989. Wednesday, the Consumer Price Index was announced which illustrated a larger than expected jump. This rise does not bode well for interests rates staying lower in the future. The Federal Reserve in the past has been successful in lowering interest rates as well as inflation but rising rates as you know impact the savings and loan problem as well as the Latin Ameri- can debt situation which the United States is currently in the middle of the solutions. Also of concern is the impact of overseas dollars on our monetary policy due to the budget deficit. Mr. Chairman, we look forward to your testimony this morning. The CHAIRMAN. With that, Chairman Greenspan, we have your statement and we will make it a part of the record and I would hope that in the course of your remarks to us that you would feel free to digress and emphasize points you feel strongly about. If there is anything that has come up in the course of the discussion that relates to something in your prepared remarks that you want to focus on that's separate from what is in your formal statement I want you to feel free to do that. Before we begin I have a statement from Senator Dixon. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR DIXON Senator DIXON. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to be here this morning as the Senate Banking Committee conducts the first hear- ing of the new decade on monetary policy. I look forward to the thoughtful testimony of Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan. In the past 6 months our world has experienced extraordinary changes. Cold war tensions have dramatically decreased. Waves of political and economic freedom have swept eastern Europe. Drexel Burnham, a once mighty financial giant, has filed for bankruptcy. Each week, new historic headlines develop. Fortunately, through all these upheavels, our economy has stayed on a fairly steady course. Unemployment has remained stable. Inflation has not taken off—despite yesterday's reported consumer price jump, which was related directly to December's un- usually harsh weather. The market did not collapse with Drexel's demise. And the economy seems to have avoided entering a reces- sion. Skillful handling of monetary policy by the Federal Reserve deserved much credit. With all of this good news, I am concerned that we are seeing only these new, magnificent trees; we are not seeing all of the changes in the forest, nor the small fire burning within its wooded heart. I am concerned that as the winds of international competi- tion gust and blow that fire will spread and that forest will wither. It is easy to be sanguine when our economy appears healthy. Still, the Federal budget and trade deficits, a low savings rate, in- adequate research and technological development, calcified finan- cial regulation, mediocre education, and problems in our inner cities, all threaten our current prosperity. They are the fires which threaten to destroy our forest of growth and bounty. The economic news which we hear today should not pacify us. In- stead, it should spur Congress and the American people to action so that our much admired prosperity and economic freedom will continue to flourish. We would be pleased to hear from you now. STATEMENT OF ALAN GREENSPAN, CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF GOVERNORS, FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM Mr. GREENSPAN. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I, as always, appreciate the opportunity to testify on the Federal Reserve's semiannual Monetary Policy Report to the Congress. My prepared remarks go into some detail on our monetary policy actions and plans in the context not only of the current and pro- jected state of the economy, but also against the background of our longer-term objectives and strategy for achieving them. The prepared testimony also addresses some issues for monetary policy raised by the increasingly international character of finan- cial markets, and I will be glad to pursue that issue in some detail as the question period unfolds. Last year, as has been remarked, represented the seventh year of the longest peacetime expansion of the U.S. economy on record. Some two and a half million jobs were created and the civilian un- employment rate held steady at 51A percent. Inflation was held to a Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis rate no faster than in recent years, but unfortunately no progress was made in 1989 toward price stability. Thus, while we can look back with satisfaction at the economic progress made last year, there is still some work to be done. About a year ago the Federal Reserve policy was in the final phase of a period of gradual tightening designed to inhibit a build up of inflation pressures. Interest rates moved higher through the winter but started down when signs of more restrained aggregate demand and of reduced potential for higher inflation began to appear. As midyear approached a marked strengthening of the dollar on foreign exchange markets further diminished the threat of acceler- ating inflation and economic data suggested that the balance of risks had shifted toward the possibility of an undue weakening in economic activity. With M2 and M3 below the lower bounds of their annual ranges in the spring, the Federal Reserve in June embarked on a series of measured easing steps that continued through late last year. Across the maturity spectrum interest rates declined further to levels of about 1 l/z percentage points below March peaks. Reduction in inflation expectation and reports of a softer econo- my evidently contributed to the drop in rates in long-term markets. The decrease in short-term rates lifted M2 to around the middle of its annual range in the latter part of the year. So far this year the Federal funds rate has remained around S1A percent, but rates on Treasury securities and longer-term private instruments have reversed some of their earlier declines. Investors have reacted to stronger-than-expected economic data, a run-up in energy prices, and increasingly attractive investment opportunities abroad, especially in Europe. Monetary policy was conducted again last year with an eye on long-run policy goals, and economic develops in 1989 were consist- ent with the Federal Reserve's medium-term strategy for reaching them. The ultimate objective of economic policy is to foster the maxi- mum sustainable rate of economic growth. By ensuring stable prices, a necessary condition for maximum sustainable growth, monetary policy can play its most important role in promoting eco- nomic progress. The strategy of the Federal Open Market Committee for moving toward this goal remains the same, to restrain growth in money and aggregate demand in coming years enough to establish a clear downward tilt to the trend of inflation and inflation expectations, while avoiding a recession. If past patterns of monetary behavior persist, maintaining price stability will require an average rate of M2 growth over time ap- proximately equal to the trend growth in output. During the transition, the decline of market interest rates in re- sponse to the moderation in inflation would boost the public's demand for M2 relative to nominal spending lowering M2 velocity. M2 growth over several years accordingly may show little decelera- tion, and it could actually speed up from time to time as interest rates decline in fits and starts. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 9 Hence, the FOMC would not expect to lower its M2 target range mechanically each and every year in the transition to price stabili- ty. This qualitative description of our medium-term strategy is easy to state, but actually implementing it will be difficult. Unexpected developments no doubt will require flexible policy responses. Any such adjustments will not imply a retreat from the medium-term strategy or from ultimate policy goals. Rather, they will be mid- course corrections that attempt to keep the economy and prices on track. The easing of reserve pressures starting last June is a case in point. Successive FOMC decisions to ease operating policy were in- tended to forestall an economic downturn the chances of which seem to be increasing as the balance of risks shifted away from greater inflation. The FOMC was in no way abandoning its long-term goal of price stability. Instead, it sought financial conditions that would support the moderate economic expansion judged to be consistent with progress toward stable prices. In the event, output growth was sustained last year, although in the fourth quarter a major strike at Boeing combined with the first round of production cuts in the auto industry accentuated the un- derlying slowdown. On the inflation side, price increases in the second half were ap- preciably lower than those in the first. Against this background, the Federal Reserve Governors and the Presidents of the Reserve Banks foresee continued moderate eco- nomic expansion over 1990 consistent with conditions that will foster progress toward price stability over time. At its meeting ear- lier this month the FOMC selected ranges for growth in money and debt it believes will promote this outcome. My testimony last July indicated the very preliminary nature of the tentative ranges chosen for 1990, given the uncertain outlook for the economy, financial conditions, and appropriate growth of money and debt. With the economic situation not materially different from what was then anticipated, the FOMC reaffirmed the tentative 3 to 7 percent growth range for M2 in 1990 that it set last July. This range, which is the same as that used in. 1989, is expected by most FOMC members to produce somewhat slower growth in nominal GNP this year. The declines in short-term interest rates through late last year can be expected to continue to boost the public's demands for liquid balances in M2, at least for a while longer. M2 growth over 1990 thus may be faster than in recent years, and M2 velocity could well decline over the four quarters of the year absent a pronounced firming of short-term market interest rates. In contrast with M2, the range for M3 has been reduced from its tentative range set last year. The new M3 range of 3Vfc to 6% per- cent is intended to embody the same degree of restraint as the M2 range, but it was lowered to reflect the continued decline in thrift assets and funding needs now anticipated to accompany the ongo- ing restructuring of the thrift industry. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 10 The Committee's best judgment is that money growth within these annual ranges will be compatible with a moderation in the expansion of nominal GNP. Most FOMC members and other Re- serve Bank Presidents foresee real GNP growth of 1% to 2 percent over the year as a whole. Such a rate would be around last year's moderate pace excluding the rebound in agricultural output from the 1988 drought. A slight easing of pressures on resources probably is in store. In- flation pressures should remain contained even though the decline in the dollar's value over the past half year likely will reverse some of the beneficial effects on domestic inflation stemming from the dollar's earlier appreciation. The CPI this year is projected to increase 4 to 4J/2 percent as compared with last year's 4Va percent. Experience has shown such macroeconomic forecasts to be sub- ject to a variety of risks. Assessing the balance of risks between production shortfalls and inflation pressures in the current outlook is complicated by several cross-currents in the domestic and inter- national economic and financial situation. One risk is that the weakness in economic activity evident around the year end may tend to cumulate causing members' fore- casts about production and employment this year to be overly opti- mistic. However, available indicators of near-term economic per- formance suggest that the weakest point may have passed. The inventory correction in the auto industry, a rapid one involv- ing a sharp reduction in motor vehicle assemblies in January, cou- pled with better motor vehicle sales, seems to be largely behind us. Industrial activity outside of motor vehicles appears to be holding up. Production of business equipment where evidence has accumu- lated of some stability, if not an increase, in orders for profit mar- gins, is likely to support manufacturing output in the coming months. Housing starts were depressed in December by severely cold weather in much of the country, but starts bounced back strongly in January in line with the large gain in construction employment last month. From these and similar data one can infer the beginnings of a modest firming in economic activity. While we cannot be certain that we are as yet out of the recessionary woods, such evidence warrants at least guarded optimism. There are, however, other undercurrents that continue to signal caution. One that could disturb the sustainability of the current economic expansion has been the recent substantial deterioration in profit margins, and continuation of this trend could seriously undercut the still expanding capital goods markets. However, if current signs of an upturn in economic activity broaden, profit margins can be expected to stabilize. A more deep-seated concern with respect to the longer run viabil- ity of the expansion is the increase in debt leverage. Although the trends of income and cash flow may have turned the corner, the structure of the economy's financial balance sheet weighs increas- ingly heavily on the dynamics of economic expansion. In recent years, business debt burdens have been enlarged through corporate restructurings, and as a consequence, interest costs as a percent of cash flow have risen markedly. Responding to Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 11 certain well-publicized debt-servicing problems, creditors have become more selective in committing funds for these purposes. Within the banking industry credit standards have been tight- ened for merger and LBO loans as well as for some other business customers. Credit for construction projects reportedly has become less available because of FIRREA-imposed limits and heightened concerns about overbuilding in a number of real estate markets. Among households, too, debt-servicing burdens have risen to his- toric highs relative to income, and delinquency rates have moved up of late. Suppliers of consumer and mortgage credit appear to have tightened lending terms a little. Real estate values have soft- ened in some locales, although prices have maintained an uptrend in terms of the national averages, especially for single-family resi- dences. These and other financial forces merit careful monitoring. While welcomed from the supervisory perspective, more cautious lending does have the potential for dampening aggregate demand. It is difficult to assess how serious a threat increased leverage is to the current level of economic activity. Clearly should the econo- my fall into a recession, excess debt service costs would intensify the problems of adjustment. But it is unlikely that in current cir- cumstances strains coming from the economy's financial balance sheet can themselves precipitate a downturn. As I indicated in my prepared text, we expect nonfinancial debt growth to continue to slow from its frenetic pace of the mid-1980s. This should lessen the strain and hopefully the threat to the econo- my. Among other concerns recent events have highlighted the com- plex interactions between developments in the U.S. economy and financial markets and those in other major industrial countries. Specifically, the parallel movements in long-term interest rates here and abroad over the early weeks of 1990 have raised ques- tions: To what extent is the U.S. economy subject to influences from abroad? To what extent, as a consequence, have we lost con- trol over our economic destiny? The simple answer to these questions is that the U.S. economy is influenced from abroad to a substantially greater degree than, say, two or three decades ago, but U.S. monetary policy is nonetheless able to carry out its responsibilities effectively. The post-war period has seen markedly closer ties among the world's economies. Markets for goods have become increasingly and irreversibly integrated as a result of the downsizing of economic output and the consequent expansion of international trade. The past decade in particular also has witnessed the growing in- tegration of financial markets around the world. Advancing tech- nology has fostered the unbundling and transfer of risk and engen- dered a proliferation of new financial products. Cross-border financial flows have accordingly accelerated at a pace in excess of global trade gains. This globalization of financial markets has meant that events in one market or in one country can affect within minutes developments in markets throughout the world. More integrated and open financial markets have enabled all countries to reap the benefits of enhanced competition and im- Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 12 proved allocation of capital. Our businesses can raise funds almost anywhere in the world. Our savers can choose from a lengthening menu of investments as they seek the highest possible return on their funds, and our financial institutions enjoy wider opportuni- ties to compete. In such an environment a change in the expected rate of return on financial assets abroad naturally can affect the action of bor- rowers or lenders in the United States. In response, exchange rates, asset prices and rates of return all may adjust to new values. Strengthened linkages among world financial markets affect all markets and all investors. Just as U.S. markets are influenced by developments in markets abroad, foreign markets are influenced by events here. These channels of influence do not depend on whether a country is experiencing a deficit or a surplus in its current account. In today's financial markets the net flows associated with current ac- count surpluses and deficits are only the tip of the iceberg. What are more important are the huge stocks of financial claims, more than one and a half trillion held in the United States by foreigners and more than $26 trillion of dollar-denominated claims on U.S. borrowers held by U.S. residents. This is in addition to the vast quantities of assets held in foreign currencies abroad. It is these holdings that can respond to changes in actual and expected rates of return. In recent years we have seen several instances in which rates of return have changed essentially simultaneously around the world. For example, stock prices moved together in October 1987 and 1989, and in 1990 bond yields have risen markedly in many indus- trial countries. However, we must be cautious in interpreting such events and in drawing implications for the United States. Frequently such move- ments occur in response to a common worldwide influence. Currently, the world economy is adjusting to the implications of changes in Eastern Europe where there are tremendous new oppor- tunities to invest and promote reconstruction and growth. Those opportunities, while contributing to the increase in interest rates in the United States, also open up new markets for our exports. Moreover, despite globalization, financial markets do not neces- sarily move together. They also respond to more localized influ- ences. Over 1989, for example, bond yields in West Germany and Japan rose about a percentage point while those in the United States fell by a similar amount. The contrast between 1989 and 1990 illustrates the complexity of relationships among financial markets. Interactions can show through in movements in exchange rates as well as interest rates, and changes in prices of assets depend on a variety of factors, including economic developments and inflation expectations in various countries as well as monetary and fiscal policies here and abroad. The influence of economic policies abroad and other foreign de- velopments on the U.S. economy is profound, and the Federal Re- serve must carefully take them into account when considering its monetary policy. But these influences do not fundamentally con- strain our ability to meet our most important monetary policy ob- jectives. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 13 Developments within U.S. financial markets remain the strong- est influence on asset prices and interest rates determined by those markets and through them on the U.S. economy. Exchange rates absorb much of the impact of developments in foreign asset mar- kets permitting U.S. interest rates to reflect primarily domestic economic conditions. Exchange rates influence the prices of products that do or can, enter into international trade. Such factors can bring about changes in the composition of production between purely domestic goods and services and those entering international trade, and they can affect aggregate price movements for a time. However, the overall pace of spending and output in the United States depends on the demands upon all sectors of the U.S. econo- my taken together, and our inflation rate over time depends on the strength of those demands relative to our ability to supply them out of domestic production. Because the Federal Reserve is able to affect short-term interest rates in U.S. financial markets, it is able to influence the pace of economic activity in the short run and inflation pressures longer term. To be sure monetary policy must currently balance more fac- tors than in previous decades, but our goals are still achievable. Monetary policy is only one tool, however, and it cannot be used successfully to meet multiple objectives. The Federal Reserve, for example, can address itself to either domestic prices or exchange rates, but cannot be expected to achieve objectives for both simulta- neously. Monetary policy alone is not readily capable of addressing today's large current account deficit which is symptomatic of un- derlying imbalances among saving, spending and production within the U.S. economy. Continued progress in reducing the Federal deficit is a more ap- propriate instrument to raise domestic savings and free additional resources for productive investment. The long-term health of our economy requires the balanced use of monetary and fiscal policy in order to reach all of the Nation's policy objectives. Thank you very much. [The complete prepared statement of Chairman Greenspan and report follows:] Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 14 Testimony by Alan Greenspan Chairman Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System before the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the United States Senate February 22, 1990 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 15 Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, I appreciate the opportunity to testify today on the Federal Reserve's semiannual Monetary Policy Report to the Congress. My prepared remarks discuss our monetary policy actions and plans in the context not only of the current and pro- jected state of the economy, but also against the background of our longer-term objectives and strategy for achieving them. The testimony also addresses some issues for monetary policy raised by the increasingly international character of financial markets. Economic and Monetary Policy Developments in 1989 Last year marked the seventh year of the longest peacetime expansion of the U.S. economy on record. Some 2-1/2 million jobs were created, and the civilian unemployment rate held steady at 5-1/4 percent. Inflation was held to a rate no faster than that in recent years, but unfortunately no progress was made in 1989 toward price stability. Thus, while we can look back with satisfaction at the economic progress made last year, there is still important work to be done. About a year ago, Federal Reserve policy was in the final phase of a period of gradual tightening, designed to inhibit a buildup of inflation pressures. Interest rates moved higher through the winter, but started down when signs of more restrained aggregate demand and of reduced potential for higher inflation began to appear. As midyear approached, a marked strengthening of the dollar on foreign exchange markets further diminished the threat of accelerating inflation. New economic data suggested that the balance of risks had shifted toward the possibility of an undue weakening in economic activity. With M2 and M3 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 16 below the lower bounds of their annual ranges in the spring, the Federal Reserve in June embarked on a series of measured easing steps that con- tinued through late last year. Across the maturity spectrum, interest rates declined further, to levels about 1-1/2 percentage points below March peaks. Reductions in inflation expectations and reports of a softer economy evidently contributed to the drop in rates in longer-term markets. The decrease in short-term rates lifted M2 to around the middle of its annual range in the latter part of the year. Efforts under the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 (FJRREA) to close insolvent thrift institutions and strengthen undercapi- talized thrifts led to a cutback of the industry's assets and funding needs. This behavior held down M3 growth in the second half of the year, and that aggregate ended the year around the lower end of its annual range. The restructuring of the thrift industry did not, however, seem to appreciably affect the overall cost and availability of residential mortgage credit, as other suppliers of this credit stepped into the breach. In the aggregate, the debt of nonfinancial sectors slowed somewhat, along with spending, to a rate just below the midpoint of its annual range. So far this year, the federal funds rate has remained around 8-1/4 percent, but rates on Treasury securities and longer-term private instruments have reversed some of their earlier declines. Investors have reacted to stronger-than-expected economic data, a runup in energy Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 17 prices, and increasingly attractive investment opportunities abroad, especially in Europe. The Ultimate Objectives and Medium-Term Strategy of Monetary Policy Monetary policy was conducted again last year with an eye ort long-run policy goals, and economic developments in 1989 were consistent with the Federal Reserve's medium-term strategy for reaching them.\ The ultimate objective of economic policy is to foster the maximum sustain- able rate of economic growth. This outcome depends on market mechanisms that provide incentives for economic progress by encouraging creativity, innovation, saving, and investment. Markets perform these tasks most effectively when individuals can reasonably believe that by forgoing consumption or leisure in the present they can reap adequate rewards in the future. Inflation insidiously undermines such confidence. It raises doubts in people's minds about the future real value of their nominal savings and earnings, and it distorts decision-making. Faced with inflation, investors are more likely to divert their attention to protecting the near-term purchasing power of their wealth. Modern-day examples of economies stunted by rapid inflation are instructive. In countries with high rates of inflation, people tend to put their savings in foreign currencies and commodities rather than in the financial investments and claims on productive assets that can best foster domestic growth. "\, By ensuring stable prices, monetary policy can play its most important role in promoting economic progress. The strategy of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) for moving toward this goal remains the same—to restrain growth in money and Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 18 aggregate demand in coming years enough to establish a clear downward tilt to the trend of inflation and inflation expectations, while avoiding a recession. Approaching price stability may involve a period of expan- sion in activity at a rate below the growth in the economy's potential, thereby relieving pressures on resources. Once some slack develops, real output growth can pick up to around its potential growth rate, even ss inflation continues to trend down. Later, as price stability is approached, real output growth can move still higher, until full resource utilization is restored. While these are the general principles, no one can be certain what path for the economy would, in practice, accompany the gradual approach to price stability. One key element that would minimize the costs associated with the transition would be a conviction of partici- pants in the economy that the anti-inflation policy is credible, that IE, likely to be effective and unlikely to be reversed. Stability of the general price level will y'sld important long- run benefits. Nominal interest rates will be reduced with the disap- pearance of expectations of inflation, and real interest rates likely will be lower as well, as less uncertainty about the future behavior of overall prices induces a greater willingness to save. Higher saving and capital accumulation will enhance productivity, and the trend growth in real GNP will be greater than would be possible if the recent inflation rate continued. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 19 If past patterns of monetary behavior persist, maintaining price stability will require an average rate of M2 growth over time approxi- mately equal to the trend growth in output. During the transition, the decline of market interest rates in response to the moderation in infla- tion would boost the public's demand for M2 relative to nominal spending, lowering M2 velocity. M2 growth over several years accordingly may show little deceleration, and it could actually speed up from time to time, as interest rates decline in fits and starts. Hence, the FOMC would not expect to lower its M2 range mechanically each and every year in the transition to price stability- This qualitative description of our medium-term strategy is easy to state, but actually implementing it will be difficult. Unexpected developments no doubt will require flexible policy responses. Any such adjustments will not imply a retreat from the medium-term strategy or from ultimate policy goals. Rather, they will be mid-course corrections that attempt to keep the economy and prices on track. The easing of reserve pressures starting last June is a case in point. Successive FOMC decisions to ease operating policy were intended to forestall an economic downturn, the chances of which seemed to be increasing as the balance of risks shifted away from greater inflation. The FOMC was in no way aban- doning its long-run goal of price stability. Instead, it sought finan- cial conditions that would support the moderate economic expansion judged to be consistent with progress toward stable prices. In the event, out- put growth was sustained last year, although in the fourth quarter a major strike at Boeing combined with the first round of production cuts Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 20 in the auto industry accentuated the underlying slowdown. On the infla- tion side, price increases in the second half were appreciably lower than those in the first. 'Although the CPI for January, as expected, showed a sizable jump in energy and food prices in the wake of December's cold snap, a reversal is apparently underway.1 Monetary Policy and the Economic Outlook for 1990 Against this background, the Federal Reserve Governors and the Presidents of Reserve Banks foresee continued moderate economic expansion over 1990, consistent with conditions that will foster progress toward price stability over time. At its meeting earlier this month, the FOMC selected ranges for growth in money and debt it believes win promote this outcome. My testimony last July indicated the very preliminary nature of the tentative ranges chosen for 1990, given the uncertain outlook for the economy, financial conditions, and appropriate growth of money and debt. With the economic situation not materially different from what was anticipated at that time, the FOMC reaffirmed the tentative 3 to 7 per- cent growth range for M2 in 1990 that it set last July. This range, which ig the same as that used in 19B9, is expected by most FOMC members to produce somewhat slower growth in nominal GNP this year. The declines in short-term interest rates through late last year can be expected to continue to boost the public's demands for liquid balances in M2, at least for a while longer. M2 growth over 1990 thus may be faster than in recent years, and M2 velocity could well decline over the four quarters Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 21 of the year, absent a pronounced firming in short-term market interest rates. In contrast with M2, the range for M3 has been reduced from its tentative range set last July. The new M3 range of 2-1/2 to 6-1/2 per- cent is intended to embody the same degree of restraint as the M2 range, but it was lowered to reflect the continued decline in thrift assets and funding needs now anticipated to accompany the ongoing restructuring of the thrift industry. This asset runoff began in earnest in the second half of last year, so its magnitude was not incorporated into the tenta- tive M3 range for 1990 set last July. The bulk of the mortgage and real estate assets that thrifts will shed are expected to be acquired by the Resolution Trust Corporation and diversified investors other than deposi- tory institutions. Such assets thus will no longer be financed by monetary instruments included in M3. In addition, commercial banks are likely to be more cautious in their lending activities, reducing their need to issue wholesale managed liabilities included in M3. These influences should retard the growth of M3 relative to M2 again this year. The debt of domestic nonfinancial sectors is expected to decele- rate along with nominal GRP for a fourth straight year, and the Committee chose to lower the monitoring range for this aggregate to 5 to 9 percent for 1990. Merger and acquisition activity has retreated from the fever- ish pace of recent years, reflecting some well-publicized difficulties of restructured firms and more caution on the part of creditors. All other things equal, less restructuring activity and greater use of equity Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 22 finance imply reduced corporate borrowing. An ebbing of growth in house- hold debt also seems probable. Over the last decade, money and debt aggregates have become less reliable guides for the Federal Reserve in conducting policy. The veloc- ities of the aggregates have ranged widely from one quartet or one year to the next, in response to interest rate movements and special factors. In the coming year, the effects of the contraction of the thrift industry on the velocity of M3, and to a lesser extent on that of M2, are espe- cially difficult to predict. While recognising that the growth rates of the broader monetary aggregates over long periods are still good indica- tors of trends in inflation, the FOMC will continue to take an array of factors into account in guiding operating policy. Information about emerging patterns of inflationary pressure, business activity, and condi- tions in domestic and international financial markets again will need to supplement monetary data in providing the background for decisions about the appropriate operating stance.) The Committee's best judgment is that money and debt growth within these annual ranges will be compatible with a moderation in the expansion of nominal GNP. Most FOMC members and other Reserve Bank pres- idents foresee real GNP growing 1-3/4 to 2 percent over the year as a whole. Such a rate would be around last year's moderate pace, excluding the rebound in agricultural output from the 1988 drought. A slight eas- ing of pressures on resources probably is in store. Inflation pressures should remain contained, even though the decline in the dollar's value over the past half-year likely will reverse some of the beneficial Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 23 effects on domestic inflation stemming from the dollar's earlier appreci- ation. The CPI this year is projected to increase 4 to 4-1/2 percent, as compared with last year's 4-1/2 percent. Risks to the Economic Outlook Experience has shown such macroeconomic forecasts to be subject to a variety of risks. Assessing the balance of risks between production shortfalls and inflation pressures in the current outlook is complicated by several cross-currents in the domestic and international economic and financial situation. One risk is that the weakness in economic activity evident around year-end may tend to cumulate, causing members' forecasts about production and employment this year to be overly optimistic. However, available indicators of near-term economic performance suggest that the weakest point may have passed. The inventory correction in the auto industry—a rapid one involving a sharp reduction in motor vehicle assemblies in January coupled with better motor vehicle sales—seems to be largely behind us. Industrial activity outside of motor vehicles appears to be holding up. Production of business equipment, where evi- dence has accumulated of some stability—if not an increase—in orders for capital goods, is likely to support manufacturing output in coming months. Housing starts were depressed in December by severely cold weather in much of the country, But starts bounced back strongly in January, in line with the large gain in construction employment last month. From these and similar data, one can infer the beginnings of a modest firming in economic activity. While we cannot be certain that we Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 24 -10- are as yet out of the recessionary woods, such evidence warrants at least guarded optimism. There are, however, other undercurrents that continue to signal caution. One that could disturb the sustainability of the current eco- nomic expansion has been the recent substantial deterioration in profit margins. A continuation of this trend could seriously undercut the still expanding capital goods market. However, if current signs of an upturn in economic activity broaden, profit margins can be expected to stabi- lize . A more deep-seated concern with respect to the longer-run via- bility of the expansion is the increase in debt leverage. Although the trends of income and cash flow may have turned the corner, the structure of the economy's financial balance sheet weighs increasingly heavily on the dynamics of economic expansion. In recent years, business debt burdens have been enlarged through corporate restructurings, and as a consequence interest costs as a percent of cash flow has risen markedly. Responding to certain well-publicized debt-servicing problems, creditors have become more selective in committing funds for these purposes. Within the banking industry, credit standards have been tightened for merger and LBO loans, as well as for some other business customers. Credit for construction projects reportedly has become less available because of FIRREA-imposed limits and heightened concerns about overbuild- ing in a number of real estate markets. Among households, too, debt-servicing burdens have risen to historic highs relative to income, and delinquency rates have moved up of Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 25 late. Suppliers of consumer and mortgage credit appear to have tightened lending terms a little. Real estate values have softened in some locales, although prices have maintained an uptrend in terms of the national averages, especially for single-family residences. These and other financial forces merit careful monitoring. While welcome from a supervisory perspective, more cautious lending does have the potential for damping aggregate demand. It is difficult to assess how serious a threat increased lever- age is to the current levels of economic activity. Clearly, should the economy fall into a recession, excess debt service costs would intensify the problems of adjustment. But it is unlikely that in current circum- stances strains coming from the economy's financial balance sheet can themselves precipitate a downturn. As I indicated earlier, we expect nonfinancial debt growth to continue to slow from its frenetic pace of the mid-1980s. This should lessen the strain and hopefully the threat to the economy. International Financial Markets and Monetary Policy Among other concerns, recent events have highlighted the complex interactions between developments in the U.S. economy and financial mar- kets and those in the other major industrial countries. Specifically! the parallel movements in long-term interest rates here and abroad over the early weeks of 1990 have raised questions: To what extent is the U.S. economy subject to influences from abroad? To what e:;tent, as a consequence, have we lost control over our economic destiny? The simple answer to these questions is that the U.S. economy is influenced from Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 26 abroad to a substantially greater degree than, say, two or three decades ago, but U.S. monetary policy is, nonetheless, able to carry out its responsibilities effectively. The post-war period has seen markedly closer ties among the world's economies. Markets for goods have become increasingly, and irreversibly, integrated as a result of the downsizing of economic output and the consequent expansion of international trade. The past decade, in particular, also has witnessed the growing integration of financial mar- kets around the world. Advancing technology has fostered the unbundling and transfer of risk and engendered a proliferation of new financial products. Cross border financial flows have accordingly accelerated at a pace in excess of global trade gains. This globalization of financial markets has meant that events in one market or in one country can affect within minutes developments in markets throughout the world. More integrated and open financial markets have enabled all countries to reap the benefits of enhanced competition and improved allocation of capital. Our businesses can raise funds almost anywhere in the world. Our savers can choose from a lengthening menu of investments as they seek the highest possible return on their funds. Our financial institutions enjoy wider opportunities to compete. In such an environment, a change in the expected rate of return on financial assets abroad naturally can affect the actions of borrowers or lenders in the United States. In response, exchange rates, asset prices, and rates of return all may adjust to new values. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 27 Strengthened linkages among world financial markets affect all markets and all investors. Just as U.S. markets are influenced by devel- opments in markets abroad, foreign markets are influenced by events here. These channels of influence do not depend on whether a country is experiencing a deficit or a surplus in its current account. In today's financial markets, the net flows associated with current account sur- pluses and deficits are only the tip of the iceberg. What are more important are the huge stocks of financial claims—more than $1.5 tril- lion held in the United States by foreigners and more than $26 trillion of dollar-denominated claims on U.S. borrowers held by U.S. residents. This is in addition to the vast quantities of assets held in foreign currencies abroad. It is these holdings that can respond to changes in actual and expected rates of return. In recent years we have seen several instances in which rates of return have changed essentially simultaneously around the world. For example, stock prices moved together in October 19B7 and 1989, and in 1990 bond yields have risen markedly in many industrial countries. However, we must be cautious in interpreting such events, and in drawing implications for the United States. Frequently, such movements occur in response to a common worldwide influence. Currently, the world economy is adjusting to the implications of changes in Eastern Europe, where there are tremendous new opportunities to invest and promote reconstruction and growth. Those opportunities, while contributing to the increase in interest rates in the United States, also open up new markets for our exports. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 28 -14- Moreover, despite globalization, financial markets do not necessarily move together—they also respond to more localized influ- ences. Over 19B9, for example, bond yields in West Germany and Japan rose about a percentage point, while those in the United States fell by a similar amount. The contrast between 1989 and 1990 illustrates the com- plexity of relationships among financial markets. Interactions can show through in movements in exchange rates as well as interest rates, and changes in the relative prices of assets depend on a variety of factors, including economic developments and inflation expectations in various countries as well as monetary and fiscal policies here and abroad. ' The importance of foreign economic policies for domestic eco- nomic conditions has given rise in recent years to a formalized process of policy coordination among the major industrial countries. The purpose of such coordination is to help policymakers achieve better performance in their national economies. It begins with improved communication among authorities about economic developments within each country. It includes systematic analysis of the likely impact of these developments on the economies of the partner countries and on variables such as exchange rates that are inherently jointly determined in international markets. Within such a framework, it is possible to consider alternative choices for economic policies and to account explicitly for the impacts of likely policy measures in one country on the other economies.) The influence of economic policies abroad and other foreign developments on the U.S. economy is profound, and the Federal Reserve must carefully take them into account when considering its monetary Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 29 -15- policy. But these influences do not fundamentally constrain our ability to meet our most important monetary policy objectives. Developments within U.S. financial markets remain the strongest influence on the asset prices and interest rates determined by those markets and, through them, on the U.S. economy. Exchange rates absorb much of the impact of devel- opments in foreign asset markets, permitting U.S. interest rates to reflect primarily domestic economic conditions. Exchange rates influence the prices of products that do, or can, enter into international trade. Such factors can bring about changes in the composition of production between purely domestic goods and services and those entering inter- national trade, and they can affect aggregate price movements for a time. However, the overall pace of spending and output in the United States depends on the demands upon all sectors of the U.S. economy taken together. And our inflation rate, over time, depends on the strength of those demands relative to our ability to supply them out of domestic production. Because the Federal Reserve is able to affect short-term interest rates in U.S. financial markets, it is able to influence the pace of economic activity in the short-run and inflationary pressures longer-term. To be sure, monetary policy must currently balance more factors than in previous decades. But our goals are still achievable. Monetary policy is only one tool, however, and it cannot be used successfully to meet multiple objectives. The Federal Reserve, for example, can address itself to either domestic prices or exchange rates but cannot be expected to achieve objectives for both simultaneously. Monetary policy alone is not readily capable of addressing today's large Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 30 current account deficit, which is symptomatic of underlying imbalances among saving, spending, and production within the U.S. economy. Con- tinued progress in reducing the federal deficit is a more appropriate instrument to raise domestic saving and free additional resources for productive investment. The long-term health of our economy requires the balanced use of monetary and fiscal policy in order to reach all of the nation's policy objectives. Considerations Regarding Inmediate Release of FQMC Operating Decisions Finally, Mr. Chairman, you requested that I address an issue that has been prominent in recent discussions of the procedures used to implement policy on a day-to-day basis. I refer to the way the Federal Reserve communicates its policy decisions to the public. The selection of money and debt ranges is aired promptly and thoroughly in the semian- nual reports and testimonies. Changes in the discount rate are immedi- ately announced in a press release. Decisions made about open market operations at and between FOMC meetings are conveyed to the markets and to the public at large through those operations. In practice, there is little lag between a discrete change in operating policy and the wide recognition of that change, despite the absence of an immediate public announcement. Guidance for those operations is given to the Account Manager at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as a Directive, which is made public shortly after the next FOMC meeting, six to seven weeks lat^r. Suggestions have been made that we release the Directive immediately after an FOMC meeting, or announce publicly any change in our Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 31 operating objectives as it occurs. These suggestions have appeal: surely more information is better than less in promoting efficient finan- cial markets; and the need to infer the Federal Reserve's policy stance from its actions can give rise to mistakes and unnecessary market vola- tility. Yet the amount of genuine new information that would be released is small; it is subject to misinterpretations; and its premature announcement could adversely affect the policy process. For example, the Directive itself cannot capture all the con- siderations that guide Committee policy for the intermeeting period. It needs to be accompanied by the record of the Committee's deliberations, which takes several weeks to prepare properly. Moreover, early release could provoke overreactions in financial markets to contingencies or reserve pressure alternatives mentioned in a Directive that may not occur, or that may be superseded by intermeeting developments and adjust- ments . To the extent that market participants anticipate contingencies in the Directive that never materialize, the markets would be subjected to unnecessary volatility. Earlier release of the Directive would, in addition, force the Committee itself to focus on the market impact of the announcement as well as on the ultimate economic impact of its actions. To avoid premature market reaction to mere contingencies, FOMC decisions could well lose their conditional character. Given the uncertainties in economic forecasts and in the links between monetary policy actions and Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 32 -18- economic outcomes, such an impairment of flexibility in the evolution of policy would be undesirable. Wide movements in bond and stock prices occur when investors receive new information that significantly alters their expectations over a relatively long-term horizon. Normally, changing perceptions about the current operating stance of monetary policy play only a minor role in episodes of financial variability. For example, over the last two months, U.S. bond and stock prices fell appreciably on balance, with fairly wide day-to-day and even intraday swings, but there was no uncertainty or change of view about the current stance of operating policy. To the extent that any of these market movements reflected policy, they must have been reactions to prospective changes in policy. But announcements of future changes in operating policy are not possible, since they are contingent upon future economic developments. Changes in our current operating stance, of course, have the potential to alter anticipations of future conditions, including future policy, fit times, monetary policymakers wish to strengthen the market's sense of a more basic change in the thrust of policy through an announce- ment effect, as well as through a change in the instrument itself. Changes in the discount rate provide good examples. More often, however, the Federal Reserve judges that policy implementation is better served through small, incremental operating moves that do not connote a significant siteration in policy intent and do not have major implications for financial conditions in the more Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 33 distant future. Signaling such policy moves through open market opera- tions usually avoids major and potentially destabilizing movements in bond and stock prices. This way of distinguishing the nature of policy intent may well convey information to the financial markets about the future direction of policy better than would a formal, immediate announcement of every policy change. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 34 Letter of Transmittal BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM Washington, D.C., February 20, 1990 THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. The Board of Governors is pleased to submit its Monetary Policy Report to the Congress pursuant to the Full Employment and Balanced Growth Act of 1978. Sincerely, Alan Greenspan, Chairman Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 35 For use at 10:00 a.m., E.S.T. Tuesday February 20, 1990 Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System Monetary Policy Report to Congress Pursuant to the Full Employment and Balanced Growth Act of 1978 February 20, 1990 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 36 Table of Contents Page Section 1: Monetary Policy and the Economic Outlook for 1990 Section 2: The Performance of the Economy in 1989 Section 3: Monetary and Financial Developments During 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 37 Ranges of Growth for Monetary and Credit Aggregates 1988 1990 Percent change, fourth quarter to fourth quarter M2 4to8 3107 3 to 7 M3 4 to 8 3'/2 to 7'/2 2'/2 to 6Vj Debt 7 to 11 6V21010V2 5 to 9 elements in M5; thrift institution asseis should con- well as developments in financial and foreign exchange tinue to decline, as some solvent thrifts will be under markets. pressure to meet capital standards and insolvent thrifts will continue to be shrunk and closed, with a portion of Economic Projections for 1990 their assets carried, temporarily, by the government. The Committee members, and other Reserve Bank While some of the assets shed by thrifts are expected to presidents, expect that growth in the real economy will be acquired by commercial banks, overall growth in be moderate during 1990. Most project real GNP the asset portfolios of banks is expected to be moder- growth over the four quarters of the year to be between ate, as these institutions exercise caution in extending 134 and 2 percent—essentially the same increase as in credit. An increase in lender—and borrower- caution 1989, excluding the bounceback in farm output after more generally points to some slowing in the pace at the 1988 drought. It is expected that this pace of which nonfinancial sectors take on debt relative to their expansion will be reflected in some easing of pressures income in 1990. In particular, recent developments on domestic resources; the central tendency of fore- suggest that leveraged buyouts and other transactions casts is for an unemployment rate of 5 V4 to53,4 percent that substitute debt for equity in corporate capital in the fourth quarter. structures *ill be noticeably less important in 1990 Certain factors have caused an uptick in inflation than in recent years. Moreover, a further decline in the early this year. Most notably, prices for food and federal sector's deficit is expected to reduce credit energy increased sharply as the year began, reflecting growth this year. In light of these considerations, the the impact of the unusually cold weather in December. Committee reduced the monitoring range for debt of However, these run-ups should be largely reversed in the nonfinancial sectors to 5 to 9 percent. coming months, and inflation in food and energy prices The setting of targets for money growth in 1990 is for the year as a whole may not differ much from made more difficult by uncertainty about developments increases in other prices. affecting thrift institutions. The behavior of M3 and, to Given their importance in determining the trend of a more limited extent, M2 is likely to be affected by overall costs, a deceleration in the cost of labor inputs such developments, but there is only limited basis in is an integral pan of any solid progress toward price experience to gauge the likely impact. In addition, in stability. Nominal wages and total compensation have inierpreting the growth of nonfinancial debt, the Com- grown relatively rapidly during the past two years, mittee will have to take into account the amount of while increases in labor productivity have diminished. Tieasury borrowing (recorded as pan of the debt With prices being consigned by domestic and interna- aggregate) used to carry the assets of failed thrift tional competition, especially in goods markets, profit institutions, pending their disposal. With these ques- margins have been squeezed to low levels. A restora- tions adding to the usual uncertainties about the rela- tion of more normal margins ultimately will be neces- tionship among movements in the aggregates and sary if businesses are to have the wherewithal and output and prices, the Committee agreed that, in incentive to maintain and improve the stock of plan! implementing policy, they would need to continue to and equipment. consider, in addition to the behavior of money, indica- Unfortunately, the near-term prospects for a moder- tors of inflationary pressures and economic growth, as ation in labor cost pressures are not favorable. Com- Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 38 Section 1: Monetary Policy and the Economic Outlook for 1990 The U.S. economy recorded its seventh consecutive the first, and this measure ended the year only a little year of expansion in 1989, Although growth v,as below the midpoint of its range. slower than in the preceding two years, it was sufficient Thus far this year, the overnight rate on federal to support the creation of 2 Vi million jobs and to hold funds has held at 8W percent, but other market rates the unemployment rate steady at 5V* percent, the have risen. Increases of as much as '/; percentage point lowest reading since the early 1970s. On the external have been recorded at the longer end of the maiurity front, the trade and current account deficits shrank spectrum. The bond markets responded to indicators further in 1989. And while inflation remained undesir- suggesting a somewhat greater-than-anticipated buoy- ably high, the pace was less than many analysts—and, ancy in economic activity-which may have both indeed, most members of the Federal Open Market raised expected real returns on investment and re- Committee (FOMQ — had predicted, owing in part to newed some apprehensions about the outlook for infla- the continuing diminution in longer-range inflation tion. The rise in yields occurred in the context of a expectations. general runup in international capital market yields, which appears to have been in part a response to In 1989. monetary policy was tailored to the chang- emerging opportunities associated with the opening of ing contours of the economic expansion and the poten- Eastern Europe; this development had particularly tial for inflation. Early in the year, as for most of 1988, notable effects on the exchange value of the West the Federal Reserve tightened money market condi- German mark, which rose considerably relative to the tions in order to prevent pressures on wages and prices dollar, the yen, and other non-EMS currencies. from building. Market rates of interest rose relative to those on deposit accounts, and unexpectedly large tax payments in April and May drained liquid balances, Monetary Policy lor 1990 restraining the growth of the monetary aggregates in the first half of the year. By May. M2 and M3 lay below The Federal Open Market Committee is committed the lower bounds of the annual target ranges estab- to the achievement, over time, of price stability. The lished by the FOMC. importance of this objective derives from the fact that the prospects for long-run growth in the economy are Around midyear, risks of an acceleration in inflation brightest when inflation need no longer be a material were perceived to have diminished as pressures on consideration in the decisions of households and firms. industrial capacity had moderated, commodity prices The members recognize that certain short-term fac- had leveled out, and the dollar had strengthened on tors—notably a sharp increase in food and energy exchange markets, reinforcing the signals conveyed by prices —are likely to boost inflation early this year, but the weakness in the monetary aggregates. In June, the anticipate that these factors will not persist. Under FOMC began a series of steps, undertaken with care to these circumstances, policy can support further eco- avoid excessive inflationary stimulus, thai trimmed nomic expansion without abandoning the goal of price 1'/: percentage points from short-term interest rates by stability. year-end. Longer-term interest rates moved down by a To foster the achievement of those objectives, the like amount, influenced by both the System's easing Committee has selected a target range of 3 to 7 percent and a reduction in inflation expectations. for M2 growth in 1990. Growth in M2 may be more Growth of M2 rebounded to end the year at about the rapid in 1990 than in recent years, and yet be consistent midpoint of the 1989 target range. Growth of M3, with some moderation in the rate of increase in nominal however, remained around the lower end of its range, income and restraint on prices; in particular, M2 may as a contraction of the thrift industry, encouraged by grow more rapidly than nominal GNP in the first part of the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and En- this year in lagged response to last year's interest rate forcement Act of 1989 (FIRREA), reduced needs to movements. Eventually, however, slower M2 growth tap M3 sources of funds. The primary effect of the will be required to achieve and maintain price stability. shrinkage of the thrift industry's assets was a rechan- The Committee reduced the M3 range to 2'/2 to6'/2 neling of funds in mortgage markets, rather than a percent to take account of me effects of the restructur- reduction in overall credit availability; growth of the ing of the thrift industry, which is expected to continue nonfinancial sector debt aggregate monitored by the in 1990, A smaller proportion of mortgages is likely to FOMC was just a bit slower in the second half than in be held at depository institutions and financed by Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 39 Economic Projections for 1990 FOMC Members and 1989 Actual Other FRB Presidents Administration Central Range Tendency Percent change, fourth quarter to fourth quarter Nominal GNP 6.4 4 to 7 5>/2 to 6'/2 7.0 Real GNP 2.4 1 to 2 V4 13/4 to 2 2.6 Consumer price index 4.5 3V2 to 5 4 to 4Vz 4.1' Average ievet in the fourth quarter, percent Unemployment rate 5.3 5Y2to6Vz 5.42 1 CPI-W FOMC forscasts are tor CPI-U 2 Percsnl ol total labor tores, including a ed forces residing in the United States pensation growth is being boosted in the first half of consumer price index, most members expect an in- 1990 by an increase in social security taxes and a hike crease of between 4 and 4V4 percent, compared with in the minimum wage. The anticipated easing of pres- the 4.5 percent advance recorded in 1989. sures in the labor marker should help produce some Relative to the Committee, the Administration cur- moderation in the pace of wage increases in the second rently is forecasting more rapid growth in real anrj half of 1990, but the Committee will continue lo nominal GNP. At the same time, the Administration's monitor closely the growth of labor costs for signs of projection for consumer price inflation is at the low end progress in this area. of the Committee's central tendency range. In its Finally, the recent depreciation of the dollar likely Annual Repon, the Council of Economic Advisers will constitute another impetus to near-term price argues that, if nominal GNP were to grow at a 7 percent increases, reversing the restraining influence exerted annual rate this year-as the Council is projecting- by a strong dollar through most of last year. Prices of then M2 could exceed its target range, particularly if imported goods, excluding oil, increased in the fourth interest rates fall as projected in the Administration quarter after declining through the first three quarters forecast. As suggested above, monetary relationships of 1989, The full effect of this upturn likely will not be cannot be predicted with absolute precision, but the felt on the domestic price level until some additional Council's assessment is reasonable. And, although time has passed. most Committee members believe that growth in Despite these adveise element in (he near-term nominal GNP more likely will be between 51/; and picture, the Committee believes that progress toward 6V4 percent, a more rapid expansion in nominal income price stability can be achieved over time, given the would be welcome if ii promised to be accompanied by apparently moderate pace of activity. In terms of the a declining path for inflation in 1990 and beyond. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 40 Section 2: The Performance of the Economy in 1989 Real GNP grew 2 '/4 percent over the four quarter;, of goods and services increased 2 'A percent over the four 1989, 2 percent after adjustment for the recovery in quarters of 1989, 1 Vi percentage points less than in farm output from ihe drought losses of the prior year. 1988. Growth in real disposable income slowed last This constituted a significant downshifting in the pace year, but coniinued lo outstrip growth in spending, of expansion from the unsustainable1 rapid rates of and. as a result, the personal saving rale increased to 1987 and 1988, which had carried activity lo the point 554 percent in the fourth quarter of 1989. thai inflationary strains were beginning to become The slackening in consumer demand was concen- visible in Ihe economy. As the year progressed, clear trated in spending on goods. Real spending on durable signs emerged that pressures on resource utili?ation goods was about unchanged from the fourth quarter of were easing, particularly in the industrial sector. None- 1988 lo the fourth quarter of 1989-after jumping theless, the overall unemployment rate remained at 8 percent in the prior year—chiefly reflecting a slump 5 3 percent, the lowest reading since 1973, and infla- in purchases of motor vehicles. Spending on nondura- tion remained al 4V? percent despite the restraining in- ble goods also decelerated, increasing only '/? percent fluence of a dollar that was strong for most of the year. in 1989 after a 2 percent advance in 1988. The principal The deceleration in business activity last year re- support to consumer spending came from continued flected, to some degree, the monetary tightening from large gains in outlays for services. Spending on medi- early 1988 through early 1989 that was undertaken cal care moved up 7": percent in real terms last year, with a view toward damping the inflation forces. Partly and now constitutes 11 percent of total consumption as a consequence of that tightening, the U.S. dollar expenditures-up from 8 percent in 1970. Outlays for appreciated in ihe foreign exchange markets from early other services rose 3 V* percent, with sizable increases 1^)88 through mid-1989, contributing to a slackening in a number of categories. nf foreign demand for U. S. products. At the same time, Sales of cars and light trucks fell & million unils in domestic demand also slowed, more for goods than for 1989. to 14'/i million. Most of the decline reflected services. Reflecting these developments, ihe slow- reduced sales of cars produced by U.S.-owned auto- down in activity was concentrated in the manufacturing makers; a decline in sales of imported automobiles was sector: Factory employment, which increased a total of about offset by an increase in sales of foreign name- 90.000 over the first three months of 1989. declined plates produced in U.S. plants. The slowing in motor 195,000 over the remainder of the year, and growth in vehicle sales was most pronounced during the fourth manufacturing production slowed from 5 '/3 percent in quarter of 1989. reflecting a "payback" for sales that 1988 to only 134 percent last year. Employment in had been advanced into the third quarter and a rela- manufacturing fell further in January of this year, but tively large increase in sticker prices on 1990-model that decline was largely attributable to temporary cars. Although part of this increase reflected the inclu- layoffs in the automobile industry and most of ihe sion of additional equipment —notably the addition of affected workers have since been recalled. passive restraint systems to many models — consumers As noted above, the rale of inflation was about the nevertheless reacted adversely to the overall increase same in 1989 as it had been in the preceding iwo years. in prices. Beyond these influences, longer-run factors While the appreciation of the U.S. dollar through the appear lo have been damping demand for autos and first half of the year helped to hold down the prices of light trucks during 1989; in particular, the robust pace imported goods, ihe high level of resource utilization of sales earlier in the expansion seems to have satisfied coniinued to exert pressure on wages and prices. In that demand pent up during the recessionary period of the regard, the moderation in the expansion of real activity early 1980s. The rebuilding of the motor vehicle stock during 1989 was a necessary development in establish- suggests that future sales are likely to depend more ing an economic environment more conducive to heavily on replacement needs. progress over time loward price stability. Residential investment fell in real terms through the first three quarters of 1989, and with only a slight The Household Sector upturn in the fourth quarter, expenditures decreased 6 percent on net over the year. Construction was Household spending softened significantly in 1989, weighed down throughout 1989 by the overbuilding with a marked weakening in the demand for motor that occurred in some locales earlier in the decade. vehicles and housing. Real consumer spending on Vacancy rates were especially high for multifamily Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 41 Real GNP Percent change, O4 to Q4 Drought-Adjusted 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Industrial Production Index, 1977= 100 160 Jan. 140 120 100 1984 1985 )986 1987 1988 1989 Implicit Deflator for GNP Percent change, Q4 to Q4 1984 1085 1986 1987 1988 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 42 Real Income and Consumption Percent change, Q4 to Q4 jUJReal Disposable Personal Income [^ [Real Personal Consumption Expenditures 1984 1985 1966 1987 1988 1989 Personal Saving Percent of disposable income I I I I 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Private Housing Starts Annual rate, millions of units, quarterly average 2.4 1.6 : Single-family : 0.8 -:-:-::::x::::':' Muitifamiiy '>x':-:-:-:-:-:::: 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 43 rental and condominium units. In [he single-family which includes office buildings, was especially weak; sector, affordability problems constrained demand, vacancy rates for office space remain at high levels in dramatically so in those areas in w'hich home priceshad many areas, lowering prospective returns on new soared relative to household income. investment. Outlays for drilling and mining, which had Mortgage interest rates declined mure than a percent- dropped 20 percent over the four quarters of 1988, age point, on net, between the spring of 1989 and the moved down further in the first quarter of 1989: later in end of the year, helping to arrest the contraction in the year, drilling activity revived as crude oil prices housing activity; however, the response to the easing in firmed. The industrial sector was the most notable Tales appears lo have been muled somewhat by a exception to the overall pattern of weakness: Real reduction in the availability of construction credit, outlays increased 11 percent in 1989, largely owing to likely reflecting, in part, the tightening of regulatory construction thai hud been planned in 1987 and 1988 standards in the thrift industry and the closing of a when capacity in many basic industries tightened sub- number of insolvent institutions. Exceptionally cold stantially and profitability was improving sharply. weather also hampered building late in the year, but a As noted above, the slowdown in investment spend- sharp December drop in housing starts was followed by a record jump in activity last month. ing during the second half of last year likely was exacerbated by the deterioration in corporate cash flow. Before-tax operating profits of nonfinancial cor- The Business Sector porations dropped 12 percent from the fourth quarter of 1988 to the third quarter of 1989 (latest data Business fixed investment, adjusted for inflation, available); after-tax profits were off in about the same increased only I percent at an annual rate during Ihe proportion. Reflecting the increased pressures from second half of 1989 after surging 754 percent during labor and materials costs-and a highly competitive the first half. Although competitive pressures forced domestic ami international environment-pre-rax do- many firms to continue seeking efficiency gain.s through mestic profits of nontinandal corporations as a share of capital investment, the deceleration in overall eco- gross domestic product declined to an average level of nomic growth made the need for capacity expansion 8 percent during the first three quarters of 1989. the less urgent, and shrinking profits reduced the availabil- lowest reading since 1982. At the same time, taxes as a ity ot'iniernal finance. share of pre-tax operating profits increased U> an Spending on equipment moved up briskly during the estimated 44 percent in the first three quarters of 1989; first half of I9»y. with particularly notable gains in since 1985, this figure has retraced a bit more than halt' outlays for information processing equipment—com- of its decline from 54 percent in 1980. puters, photocopiers, telecommunications devices, and the like. However, equipment outlays were flat in the Nonfarm business inventory investment averaged second half of the year; growth in tlie information $21 billion in 1989. Although the average pace of processing category slowed sharply, and spending in accumulation last \car was slower than in I9K3. the most other categories was either flat or down. Pur- pattern across sectors was somewhat uneven. Some chases of motor vehicles dropped sharply in the fourth of" the buildup in stocks took place in industries—such quarter from the elevated levels of the second and third as ah craft -where nrdcrfi and shipments have been quarters. There were a few exceptions to the general strong for some time now. But inventories in some pattern of weakness during the second half. Spending other sectors became uncomfortably heavy at times on aircraft was greater in the second half"of 1989 than and precipitated adjustments in orders and produc- in the first half, and would have increased still more tion. The clearest area of inventory imbalance at the had it not been for the strike at Boeing. Outlays for end of the year was at auto dealers, where stocks of tractors and agricultural machinery moved up smartly; domestically produced automobiles were at 1.7 mil- spending on farm equipment has been buoyed by the lion units in December—almost three months" supply substantial improvements over the past several years in at the sluggish fourth-quarter sales pace. In response, the financial health of the agricultural sector. Over the the domestic automakers implemented a new round of four quarters of 1989. total spending on equipment sales incentives and cut sharply the planned assembly increased 6 percent in real terms—about 1 percentage rate- foe the ftftt quarter of 1990. Elsewhere in the point below the robust pace of 1988. retail sector, inventories moved up substantially rela- Business spending for new construction edged down tive to sales at general merchandise outlets. Overall, '/2 percent in real terms during 1989—the second however, most sectors of the economy have adjusted consecutive yearly, decline. Commercial construction, fairly promptly to the deceleration in sales, and Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 44 Real Business Fixed Investment Percent change, Q4 to O4 40 |p|j Structures | | Producers' Durable Equipment 20 r&'&a I I I 20 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Changes in Real Business Inventories Annual rate, billions of 1982 dollars Total Nonfarm 45 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 After-tax Profit Share of Gross Domestic Product * Percent Nontinancial Corporations 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Ratio ol profits from domestic operations with inventory valuation and capital consumption adjustments to gross domestic product ot nonfinanaa! corporate sector. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 45 appear to have succeeded in preventing serious over- early 1988 and mid-1989 appears to have played an hangs from developing. important role in inhibiting further progress on the trade front. During the first three quarters of 1989, the current account, excluding the influence of capital The Government Sector gains and losses that are largely caused by currency Budgetary pressures continued to restrain the growth fluctuations, showed a deficit of $106 billion at an of purchases at all levels of government. At the federal annual rate—somewhat below the S124 billion deficit level, purchases fell 3 percent in real terms over the in the comparable period of 1988. four quarters of 1989. lower defense pure bases account- Measured in terms of the other Group of Ten ing for the hulk of the decline. Nondefense purchases currencies, the foreign exchange value of the Li.S also declined in real terms from the fourth quarter of dollar in December 1989 was about 3 percent above its 1988 to the fourth quarter of 1989; increases in such level in December 1988, but the dollar has moved areas as the space program and drug interdiction were lower thus far in 1990. In real terms, the net apprecia- more than offset by general budgetary restraint that tion of the dollarduring 1989 in terms of the other G-10 imposed real declines on most other discretionary currencies was about 5 percent, as consumer prices programs. rose somewhat faster here than abroad, on average. In terms of the unified budget, the federal deficit in Over the year, the dollar moved lower on balance fiscal year 1989 was $152 billion, slightly smaller than against the currencies of South Korea, Singapore, and in 1988. Growth in total federal outlays, which in- especially Taiwan, From a longer perspective, the cludes transfer payments and interest costs as well as modest uptrend on balance in the dollar over the past purchases of goods and services, picked up a bit in two years marked a sharp departure from the substan- fiscal year 1989. Outlays were boosted at the end of the tial weakening seen during the 1985-1987 period. fiscal year by the initial $9 billion of spending by the Resolution Trust Corporation. On the revenue side of The behavior of the dollar differed greatly between the ledger, growth in federal receipts also increased in the two halves of 1989. In the first half, the dollar fiscal 1989. The acce I era lion occurred in the individual appreciated 12 percent in terms of the other G-10 income tax category, but strong increases also were currencies, while depreciating against the currencies recorded in corporate and social security tax pay ments. of South Korea and Taiwan. The dollar fluctuated during the summer, and later in the year unwound most Purchases of goods and services at the state and local of the prior appreciation, as U.S. interest rates eased level increased 2'/: percent in real terms over the four relative to rates abroad and in response to concerted quarters of 1989, down more than a percentage point intervention in exchange markets in the weeks imme- from the average pace of the preceding five years. diately after the September meeting of Group of Seven Nonetheless, there were some areas of growth. Spend- officials and to events in Eastern Europe. In the second ing for educational buildings increased, and employ- half of the year, the dollar rose against the currencies of ment in the state and local sector rose 350,000 over the South Korea and Taiwan while depreciating in terms of year, largely driven by a pickup in hiring by schools. the Singapore dollar. Over the course of 1989, the Despite the overall slowdown in the growth of pur- dollar appreciated nearly 16 percent against the Japa- chases, the budgetary position of the state and local nese yen and 14 percent against the British pound, but it sector deteriorated further over the vcar; the annual- depreciated slightly against the German mark, the ized deficit of operating and capital accounts, which Canadian dollar, and most other major currencies. excludes social insurance funds, increased $6 billion over the first three quarters of 1989 and appears to have On a GNP basis, merchandise exports increased worsened further in the fourth quarter. about 11 percent in real terms over the four quarters of 1989-nughly 4 percentage points less than in 1988. This deceleration took place despite continued strong The External Sector growth in economic activity in most foreign industrial The U.S. external deficits improved somewhat in countries (with the exception of Canada and the United 1989, but not by as much as in 1988. On a balance-of- Kingdom), and appears to have reflected, in large part, payments basis, the deficit on merchandise trade fell the effect on U.S. competitiveness of the dollar's from an annual rate of $128 billion in the fourth quarter appreciation and more rapid U.S. inflation over 1988 of 1988 (and $127 billion for the year as a whole) to and much of 1989, Exports were also depressed in the $ [ 14 billion in the first quarter of 1989. Thereafter, fourth quarter of 1989 by a number of special factors there was no further net improvement. The apprecia- including the Boeing strike. The volume of agricultural tion in the foreign exchange value of the dollar between exports increased about 11 percent in 1989—abit faster Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 46 Foreign Exchange Value of the U.S. Dollar * Index. March 1973. 100 170 150 130 90 70 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 U.S. Real Merchandise Trade Annual rate, billions of 1982 dollars 600 500 Imports / 300 Exports 1984 1965 1986 1987 1988 1989 U.S. Current Account Annual rate, billions of dollars 50 50 100 150 200 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Index of weighted average foreign exchange value of U.S. dollar in terms of currencies ol the other G-10 countries. Weights are 1972-76 global trade ot each of the 10 countries. ' Average ot litst three quarters ot 1989. at an annual rale Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 47 even than the robust pace of 1988. The value of of "discouraged" workers—those who say they would agricultural exports rose much less, however, as agri- re-enter the labor force if they thought they could find a cultural export prices reversed the drough!-induced job. Nor was there any net increase in workers who increases of the previous year. accepted part-time employment when they would have Merchandise imports excluding oil expanded about preferred full-time. The proportion of the civilian 7 percent in real terms during 1989, with much of the population with jobs reached an historic high. rise accounted for by imports of computers. Importsof Reflecting the tightness of labor markets and the oil increased 6 percent from the fourth quarter of 1988 persistence of inflation expectations in the 4 to 5 per- to the fourth quarter of 1989, to a rate of 8.3 million cent range, according to surveys, the employment cost barrels perday. At the same time, the average price per index for wages and salaries in nonfarrn private indus- barrel increased almost 40 percent, and the nation's bill try increased 4 W percent over the 12 months of 1989 - for foreign oil jumped 45 percent. about the same as in 1988. Benefit costs continued to The counterpart of the current account deficit of rise more rapidly than wages and salaries last year, $106 billion at an annual rate over the first three with health insurance costs remaining a major factor; quarters of 1989 was a recorded net capital inflow of nonetheless, the rate of growth in overall benefit costs about $60 billion at an annual rate and an unusually slowed in 1989, in part because of a smaller increase in large statistical discrepancy, especially in the second social security taxes than in 1988. Total compensa- quarter. More than half of the recorded net inflow of tion—including both wages and salaries and benefits - capital reflected transactions in securities, as for- rose 4 34 percent during 1989. Compensation growth in eign private holdings of" U.S. securities rose nearly the service-producing sector—at 5 percent ~ continued $50 billion (half of the increase being in holdings of to outpace the gain in the goods-producing sector by U.S. Treasury securities), while U.S. holdings of about 35 percentage point. foreign securities increased a bit less than $20 billion. Net direct investment accounted for another substan- A slowdown in the growth of productivity often tial portion of the inflow; foreign direct investment accompanies a softening in the general economy, and holdings in the U.S. rose more than $40 billion, and productivity gains were lackluster m 1989. Output per U.S. holdings abroad rose only half as much. Over the hour in the private nonfarm business sector increased first three quarters of 1989, foreign official assets in the only Vi percent over the four quarters of the year- United States increased almost $15 billion, but this 1 percentage point below the rate of increase in 1988. increase was more than offset by the increase in U.S. In the manufacturing sector, productivity gains during official holdings of assets abroad, largely associated the first half of 1989 kept pace with the 1988 average of with U.S. intervention operations to resist the dollar's 3 percent; in the second half, however, productivity strength. growth slowed to an annual rate of 2 'A percent. Reflecting both the persistent growth in hourly com- pensation and the disappointing developments in pro- Labor Markets ductivity, unit labor costs in private nonfarm industry rose 5 percent over the four quarters of 1989-the Employment growth slowed in the second half of largest increase since 1982. 1989; nonetheless, nonfarm payrolls increased nearly 21/; mi I lion during the year. The bulk of this expansion occurred in the service-producing sector. By contrast, Price Developments the manufacturing sector shed 100,000 jobs. These job losses were more than accounted for by declines in the Inflation in consumer prices remained in the neigh- durable goods industries, and appeared to reflect the borhood of 4'<$ percent for the third year in a row, as slump in auto sales, the weakening in capital spending, the level of economic activity was strong and continued and the effects of a stronger dollar on exports and to exert pressures on available resources. During the imports. first half of the year, overall inflation was boosted by a Despite the slowdown in new job creation, the sharp runup in energy prices and a carry-over from overall balance of supply and demand in the labor 1988 of drought-related increases in food prices. How- market remained steady over the year. The civilian ever, inflation in food prices slowed during the second unemployment rate, which had declined about l/i per- half, and energy prices retraced about a third of the centage point over the twelve months of 1988, finished earlier run-up. Prices for imported goods excluding oil 1989 at 5.3 percent-unchanged from twelve months were little changed over 1989, on net, and acted as a earlier. Moreover, there was no increase in the number moderating influence on consumer price inflation. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 48 Nonfarm Payroll Employment Net change, millions of persons, Q4 to Q4 |H Total [7 j Manufacturing I I 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Civilian Unemployment Rate Quarterly average, percent I I 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Employment Cost Index * 12-month percent change Total Compensation 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 ' Employment Cosl Index lot private industry, excluding farm and household workers. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 49 GNP Fixed—weight Prices Percent change, Q4 lo Q4 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Producer Prices for Finished Goods Percent change, Q4 to O4 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Consumer Prices * Percent charge, Q4 to Q4 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 ' Consume! Free Inde* lor all urban consumers. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 50 Food prices increased 5 Vi percental the retail level, food and energy decelerated sharply, and this slow- slightly more than in 1988 when a number of crops down was particularly marked for some categories were severely damaged by drought. Continued supply where import penetration is high, including apparel problems in some agricultural markets in 1989- nota- and recreational equipment. Given the dollar's more bly a poor wheat crop and a shortfall in dairy produc- recent depreciation, however, the moderating effect of tion—likely prevented a deceleration from the drought- import prices on overall inflation may be diminishing. induced rate of increase in 1988. At the same time, Indeed, prices for imported goods excluding oil turned increases in demand, including sharp increases in up in the fourth quarter of 1989, after declining earlier exports of some commodities, also appear to have in the year. In contrast to goods prices, the prices of played a role. Still another impetus to inflation in the nonenergy services - which make up half of the overall food area last year evidently came from ihe continuing consumer price index—increased 5 W percent in 1989. rise in processing and marketing costs. W percentage point more than in 1988. The pickup in this category was led by rents, medical services, and Consumer energy prices surged 17 percent at an entertainment services. annual rate during Ihe firs! six months of 1989, before At the producer level, prices of finished goods dropping back 6 percent in the second half. During the increased 7'/; percent at an annual rate during the first first half ot the year, retail energy prices were driven up half—almost twice the pace of 1988— before slowing by increases in the cost of crude oil. The increase in to a 21/2 percent annual rate of increase over the second gasoline prices at mid-year was exaggerated by the half, in large part, developments in this sector reflected introduction of tighter standards governing the compo- sition of gasoline during summer months. Gasoline the same sharp swings in energy prices that affected consumer prices. At earlier stages of processing, the prices eased considerably in the second half, reflecting index tor intermediate materials excluding food and a dip in crude oil prices and the expiration of the energy decelerated sharply during the first half of the summer-time standards Taking the twelve months of year, and then edged down in the second half. For the 1989 as a whole, the increase in retail energy prices year as a whole, this index registered a net increase of came to a bit more than 5 percent. Heating oil prices jumped sharply at the turn of the year, reflecting a surge only 1 percent, compared with more than 7 percent in 1988. The sharp deceleration in this category appears in demand caused by December's unusually cold to have reflected a relaxation of earlier pressures on weather. The spike in heating fuel prices largely re- capacity in the primary processing industries, and the versed itself in spot markets during January of thit influence of the rising dollar through the first half of year, but crude oil prices remained at high levels. last year. Also consistent with the weakening in the Consumer price increases for items other than food manufacturing sector and the strength of the dollar, the and energy remained at about 4'/2 percent in 1989. index for crude nonfood materials excluding energy Developments in this category likely would have been declined 3M percent over the year, and spot prices for less favorable had the dollar not been appreciating in industrial metals moved sharply lower during the year, foreign exchange markets through the first half of owing in part to large declines for steel scrap, copper, 1989, The prices of consumer commodities excluding and aluminum. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 51 Consumer Food Prices * Percent change. 04 to Q4 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Consumer Energy Prices * Percent change. Q4 to Q4 15 15 I I 30 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Consumer Prices Excluding Food and Energy * Percent change, Q4 to Q4 plH Services Less Energy | I Corn mod Hies Less Food and Energy 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 ' Consumer Price Index lor all urban consumers. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 52 Shod-Term Interest Rates Monthly Three-month Treasury bill Coupon equivalent 1982 1983 1984 1985 1987 1988 1989 Long-Term Interest Rates Monthly Thirty-year Treasury bond I I 1982 1983 1984 1985 1966 1967 1988 1989 Observations are monthly averages ot daily data; last observation lor January 1990 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 53 Section 3: Monetary and Financial Developments During 1989 In 1989, the Federal Reserve continued to pursue a however, moved up only moderately; the tightening policy aimed at containing and ultimately eliminating apparently had been widely anticipated and was viewed inflation while providing support for continued eco- as helping to avoid an escalation in underlying infla- nomic expansion. In implementing that policy, the tion. Real short-term interest rates - nominal rates Federal Open Market Committee maintained a flexible adjusted for expected price inflation - likely moved approach to monetary targeting, with policy respond- higher, though remaining below peak levels earlier in ing to emerging conditions in the economy and finan- the expansion; these gains contributed to a strengthen- cial markets, as well as to the growth of the monetary ing of the foreign exchange value of the dollar over this aggregates relative to their established target ranges. period, while the growth of the monetary aggregates This flexibility has been necessitated by the substantial slowed as the additional policy restraint reinforced the variability in the short-run relationship between the effects of actions in 1988, monetary aggregates and economic performance; how- As evidence on prospective trends in inflation and ever, when viewed over a longer perspective, those spending became more mixed in the second quarter, aggregates are still useful in conveying informaiion the Committee refrained from further tightening and in about price developments. June began to ease pressures on reserve markets. As As the year began, monetary policy was. following the information on the real economy, along with the through on a set of measured steps begun a year earlier continued rise in the dollar, suggested that the outlook to check inflationary pressures. By then, however, for inflation was improving, most long-term nominal evidence of a slackening in aggregate demand, along interest rates fell as much as a percentage point from with sluggish growth of the monetary aggregates, their March peaks; the yield on the bellwether thirty- suggested that the year-long rise in short-term interest year Treasury bond moved down to about 8 percent by rates was noticeably restraining the potential for more the end of June, The decline in interest rates out- inflation. But, after a '/4 percentage point increase in stripped the reduction in most measures of investors' the discount rate at the end of February, the Federal inflation expectations, so that estimated real interest Reserve took no further policy action until June. Over rates fell from their levels of earlier in the year. These the balance of 1989, me Federal Reserve moved declines in nominal and real interest rates, however, toward an easing of money market conditions, as were not accompanied by declines in the foreign indications mounted of slack in demand and lessened exchange value of the dollar. Rather, because of better- inflation pressures. The easing in reserve availabil- than-expected trade reports and political turmoil ity induced declines in short-term interest rates of abroad, the dollar strengthened further. IVi percentage points; money growth strengthened In July, when the FOMC met for its semiannual appreciably, and M2 was near the middle of its target review of the growth ranges for money and credit, M2 range by the end of 1989, The level of M3, on the other and M3 lay at or a bit below the lower bounds of their hand, remained around the lower bound of its range, target cones. This weakness, reinforcing the signals with its weakness mostly reflecting the shifting pattern from prices and activity, contributed to the Commit- of financial intermediation as the thrift industry re- tee's decision to take additional easing action in reserve trenched. The growth of nonfinancial debt was trimmed markets. The Committee reaffirmed the existing an- to 8 percent in 1989, about in line with the slowing in nual target ranges for the monetary and. debt aggregates the growth of nominal GNP, and ended the year at the and tentatively retained those ranges for the next year, midpoint of its monitoring range, since they were likely to encompass money growth that would foster further economic expansion and modera- Implementation of Monetary Policy tion of price pressures in 1990. In the opening months of the year, the Federal Open Late in the summer, longer-term interest rates turned Market Committee extended the move toward restraint higher, as several economic data releases suggested that had begun almost a year earl ier, seeking to counter reinvigorated inflationary pressures. With growth in a disquieting intensification of inflationary pressures. the monetary aggregates rebounding, the Committee Policy actions in January and February, restraining kept reserve conditions about unchanged until the reserve availability and raising the discount rate, direction of the economy and prices clarified. prompted a further 34 percentage point increase in Beginning in October, amid indications of added short-term market interest rates. Longer-term rates, risks of a weakening in the economic expansion, the Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 54 FOMC reduced pressures on reserve markets in three with the effects of increases in 1988 and 1989 outweigh- separate steps, which nudged the federal funds ing the later, smaller, drop in rates. rare down to around 8W percent by year-end, about M2 has grown relatively slowly over the past three 1'/; percentage points below its level when incremental years, as the Federal Reserve has sought to ensure tightening ceased in February. Over those ten months, progress over time toward price stability. There ap- other short- and long-term nominal interest rates fell pears to be a fairly reliable long-term link between M2 about 1 to 1'A percentage points; and most major stock and future changes in inflation. One method of speci- price indexes reached record highs at the turn of the fying that link is to estimate the equilibrium level of year, more than recovering the losses that occurred on prices implied by the current level of M2, assuming October 13, Reflecting some reduction in inflation that real GNP is at its potential and velocity is at its anticipations over the same period, estimated sliort- long-run average, and compare that to actual prices. and long-term real interest rates fell somewhat less The historical record suggests that inflation tends to than nominal rates, dropping probably about !/i to rise when actual prices are below the equilibrium level \ percentage point. Still, most measures of short-and and to moderate when equilibrium prices are below long-term real interest rates remained well above their actual. At the end of 1986, the equilibrium level of trough levels of 1986 and 1987 —levels that had pre- prices was well above the actual level, reinforcing the ceded rapid growth in the economy and a buildup of view that the risks weighed on the side of an increase in inflationary pressures. inflation; at the end of 1989, that equilibrium price had Over the last three months of the year and into moved into approximate equality with the actual price January 1990, the foreign exchange value of the dollar level, indicating that basic inflation pressures had declined substantially from its high, which was reached steadied. around midyear and largely sustained through Septem- In 1989. compositional shifts within M2 reflected ber The dollar fell amid concerted intervention under- the pattern of interest rates, the unexpected volume of taken by the G-7 countries In the weeks immediately tax payments in the spring, and the flow of funds out of after a meeting of the finance ministers and central thrift deposits and into olher instruments. Early in the bank governors of these countries in September. The year, rising market interest rates buoyed the growth of dollar continued to decline in response to the easing of small-de nominal ion time deposits at the expense of short-term interest rates on dollar assets and increases more liquid deposits, as rates on the latter accounts in rates in Japan and Germany. The German currency adjusted only sluggishly to the upward market move- rate rose particularly sharply as developments in East- ments. The unexpectedly large tax payments in April ern Europe were viewed as favorable for the West and May contributed to the weakness in liquid instru- German econom}. attracting global capital flows. Ris- ments, as those balances also were drawn down to meet ing interest rates in Germany likely contributed to an tax obligations. As market interest rates fell, the increase in bond yields in the United States early in relative rate advantage reversed in favor of liquid 1990, even as U.S. short-term rates remained e^sen- instruments and the growth in liquid deposits re- tially unchanged. More important, however, for the bounded, boosted as well by the replenishment of rise in nominal, and likely real, long-term rates in the accounts drained b\ ta\ payments United States were incoming data pointing away from The Ml component of M2 was especially affected by recession in the economy and from any abatement in the swings in interest rates and opportunity costs last price pressures, especially as oil prices moved sharply vear, and in addition was buffeted by the effects of higher. outsi/.ed lax payments in April. After its 414 percent rise in 1988, Ml grew only Vj percent in 1989, with Behavior of Money and Credit much of ihe weakness in this Iransaclions aggregate occurring early in Ihe year. By May, Ml had declined Growth m M2 was uneven over 1989, with marked at aboul a 2'/2 percent annual rale from ils fourth- weakness in the first part of the year giving way to quarter 1988 level, reflecting a lagged response to robust growth thereafter. On balance over the year, M2 earlier increases in short-term interest rates and an expanded 4'/j percent, down from 5'A percent growth extraordinary bulge in net individual tax remitlances to in 1988. placing it about at the midpoint of its 1989 Ihe Treasury. From May lo December, M1 rebounded target range of 3 to 7 percent. The slower rate of at a 4 percent rale as ihe cumulaling effects of falling increase in M2 reflected some moderation in nominal interesl rates and post-tax-payment rebuilding boosted income growth as well as the pattern of interest rates demands for this aggregate. Ml velocity continued the and associated opportunity costs of holding money, upward trend that resumed in 1987, increasing in the Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 55 M2 and M3: Target Ranges and Actual Growth M2 Billions of dollars Rate of growth 1988:4 to 1989:4 4.6 percent 3% O N DJ F M A MJ J A S O ND 1968 1983 M3 Billions ol dollars Rate of growth 1988:4 to 1989:4 3.3 percent 3.5% I I I I I I I I I I I I I O N D J F U A M J J A S O ND 1988 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 56 Inflation Indicator Based on M2 Ratio scale Long-run equilibrium price level /r given current M2 (P'l , -; 1966 1972 1978 1984 The current price level (P, the solid line) is the implicit GNP deflator, which is set to 100 in 1982. The long-run equilibrium price level given current M2 (P*, the dashed line) is calculated as P* = (M2 • V*)/Q*, where V* is an estimate of the long-run value of the GNP velocity of M2—the mean of V2 from 1955:1 to 1988:1—and Q* is a Federal Reserve Board staff measure of potential real GNP. The vertical lines mark the quarters when the difference between the current price levet (P) and the long-run equilibrium price level (P") switches sign, and thus when inflation, with a lag, tends to begin accelerating or decelerating. For more details, see Jeffrey J. Mailman, Richard D. Porter, and David H. Small, M2 per Unit of Potential GNP as an Anchor for the Price Level, Staff Studies 157 (Board of Gover- nors of the Federal Reserve System. 1989). Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 57 first three quarters before turning down in the fourth and availability. The spread between the rate on pri- quarter of 1989. mary fixed-rale mortgages and the rate on ten-year Treasury notes rose somewhat early in the year, but The shift of deposits from thrift institutions to com- thereafter remained relatively stable. The share of mercial banks and money fund shares owed, in part, to mortgages held in securitized form again climbed in regulatory pressures that brought down rates paid by 1989, facilitating the tapping of a base of investors. some excessively aggressive thrifts. Beginning in Diversified lenders, acting in part through other inter- August, the newly-created Resolution Trust Corpora- mediaries, such as federally-sponsored agencies, tion (RTC) targeted some of its funds to pay down mostly rilled the gap left by the thrifts. However, some high-cost deposits at intervened thrifts and began a shrinkage of credit available for acquisition, develop- program of closing insolvent thrifts and selling their deposits to other institutions - for the most part, banks. ment, and construction appeared to follow from On balance, the weak growth of retail deposits at thrifts FIRREA-imposed limits on loans by thrifts to single appears to have been about offset by the shift into borrowers, though the reduction in funds available for commercial banks and money market mutual funds, these purposes probably also reflected problems in leaving M2 little affected overall by the realignment of some residential real estate markets. the thrift industry. Aggregate debt of the domestic nonfinaneial sectors M3 was largely driven, as usual, by the funding grew at a fairly steady pace over 1989, averaging needs of banks and thrifts; under the special circum- 8 percent, which placed it near the midpoint of its stances of the restructuring of the thrift industry, it was monitoring range of 6''2 to 10'A percent. Although the a less reliable barometer of monetary policy pressures annual growth of debt slowed in 1989, as it had dur- than is normally the case. After expanding 6 '4 percent ing the preceding two years, it still exceeded the in 1988, M3 hugged the lower bound of its 3Vi to 61/! percent growth of nominal GNP. Federal sector 7'A percent target cone in 1989, closing the year about debt grew 7'/2 percent, about1/; percentage point below .V/4 percent above its fourth quarter-1988 base. In the 1988 increase-and the lowest rate of expansion in 1989, bank credit growth about matched the previous •A decade-as the deficit leveled off. Debt growth year's 7'/: percent increase, but credit at thrift instiiu- outside the federal sector eased by more to average lions li. estimyied to have contracted a bis on balance 8l-i percent, mostly because of a decline in the growth over the year, in contrast to its 6'4 percent growth in of household debt. Mortgage credit slowed in line with 1988. This weakness in thrill credit directly owed to the reduced pace of housing activity, and consumer asset shrinkage at SAlF-insured savings and loan insti- credit growth, though volatile from month to month, tutions, credit unions and mutual savings banks ex- trended down through muchof thejear. The growth of panded their balance sheets in 1989. In addition, lands nonfinaneial business debt slipped further below the paid out by the RTC to thrift institutions and to banks extremely rapid rate? of the mid-1980s. Corporate acquiring thrift deposits directly substituted for other restructuring continued to be a major factor buoying sources of funds. As a result, thrifts lessened their business borrowing, although such activity showed reliance on managed liabilities, as evidenced by the distinct signs of slowing late in the >ear as lenders \4!A percent decline over the year in the sum of large became more cautious and the use of debt to require time deposits and RPs at thrifts. Institution-only money equity ebbed. market mutual funds were bolstered by a relative yield The second half of 1989 was marked by the troubling advantage, as fund returns lagged behind declining deterioration in indicators of financial stress among market interest rates in the second half of the year; certain classes of borrowers, with implications for the these funds provided the major source of growth for the profitability of lenders, including commercial banks. non-M2 component of M3. On balance, the effects of In the third quarter, several measures of loan delin- the thrift restructuring dominated the movements in quency rates either rose sharply or continued on an M3. and the rebound in M2 in the second half of tie uptrend. Delinquency rates on closed-end consumer year did not show through to this broader aggregate. loans at commercial banks and auto loans at "captive" As a consequence, the velocity of M3 increased 3 auto finance companies were close to historically high percent in 1989, 1 !4 percentage points faster than the levels. At commercial banks as a whole in 1989, both growth in M2 velocity, and its largest annual increase delinquency and charge-off rates for real estate loans in twenty years. were little changed from the previous year. Still, Many of the assets shed by thrifts were mortgages problem real estate loans continued to be a drag on the and mortgage-backed securities, but this appears to profitability of banks in Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisi- have had little sustained effect on home mortgage cast ana; in the second half, such loans emerged as a serious Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 58 Debt: Monitoring Range and Actual Growth Debt Billions of dollars Rate of growth 10.5% 1988:4 to 1989:4 8.1 percent 6.5% I I I I 1 I 1 I I I 1 I... 1 l._ O N D J F U A MJ J A S Q ND 1998 l989 M1: Actual Growth M1 Bill ion sot dollars Rate of growth 1988:4 to 1989:4 0.6 percent J I I 1 J I i 1_ I L O N DJ F U A MJ J A 3 0 ND 1986 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 59 Share ot Residential Mortgage Debt Held as Securities Quarterly through 1989:3 1980 1981 1982 1963 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Rate Spread Between Primary Home Mortgages and Ten-year Treasury Bonds Peres Monthly I I I I 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 19B7 1988 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 60 problem for banks in New England. On the other hand, center banks showing the sharpest turnaround. Infor- smaller, agriculturally oriented banks continued to mation for the second half of 1989. although still recover from the distressed conditions of the mid- incomplete, clearly points to an erosion of these profit 1980s. Since 1987. agricultural banks have charged off gains, in part, because of problems in the quality of loans at well below the national rate, and their nonper- loans. Several money center banks sharply boosted forming assets represented a smaller portion of their their loss provisions on loans to developing countries, loans than that for the country as a whole. while evidence of rising delinquency rates on real The upswing in the profitability of insured commer- estate and consumer loans suggested more widespread cial banks that began in 1988 only extended through the weakening. Despite these developments, the spread of first half of 1989. A slowing in the buildup of loan-loss rates on bank liabilities, certificates of deposit and provisions, along with improvements in interest-rate Eurodollar deposits, over comparable Treasury bill margins, contributed to these gains, with the money rates narrowed early in 1990. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 61 Growth of Money and Debt (Percent Change) Debt of domestic nonfinancial M1 M2 M3 sectors Fourth quarter to fourth quarter 1980 7.4 8.9 9.5 9.5 1981 5.4(2.5)' 9.3 12.3 10.2 1982 a. s 9.1 9.9 9.1 1983 10.4 12.2 9.8 11.1 1984 5.4 7.9 10.6 14.2 1985 12.0 8.9 7.8 13.1 1986 15.5 9.3 9.1 13.2 1987 6.3 4.3 5.8 9.9 1988 4.3 5.2 6.3 9.2 1989 0.6 4.6 3.3 8.1 Quarterly growth rates (annual rates) 1989 01 -0.1 2.3 3.9 8.4 Q2 -4.4 1.6 3.3 7.9 Q3 1.8 6.9 3.9 7.2 Q4 5.1 7.1 2.0 8.0 •Figure m parentheses is afliusted lor shirts lo NOW; Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 62 Velocity of Money and Debt (Quarterly) M1 M2 Ratio scale Ratio scale —i 7.S 1.2 1961 1968 1975 1962 1989 1961 1968 1975 1982 1989 M3 Debt Ratio scale 1.2 0,6 11111111111111 M 1111111111 n ii I liiiimiiiiinim Q 0 1961 1968 1975 1982 1989 1961 1968 1975 1982 1989 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 63 The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before we go to the question period, we've had two other mem- bers arrive, and I want to ask them for any opening comment they want to make. Senator Sanford. Senator SANFORD. Thank you very much. I'll be just a minute or two, if I may put my statement in the record. Thank you, Chairman Greenspan, for your comments and your leadership. I appreciate you being here. I was fascinated, as were a great many other people, when the once mighty Drexel, Burnham collapsed before our very eyes this week, bringing back to our attention the many abuses that had been brought about by the leverage buyout and hostile takeover mania and the junk bond phenomenon. Now a great many people are saying that this era is over, but the abuses that permitted it are not over, and I think we need to consider the debt and the im- plications of the debt on our competitiveness. I'll come back to that in the question period. Today Jim Sasser and I are introducing legislation to address some of these LBO and hostile takeover abuses, including the over- leveraging and the trend toward shorter and shorter term invest- ment strategies to see if we can create incentive for longer-range outlooks. I'm also concerned not only by the great corporate debt that has accumulated, but by our national debt and what it has to do with the interest rates, and I'll come back to that as well. I'm bothered by the fact that under the President's budget pro- posal, as I understand it, we will continue and possibly exceed $4 trillion in national debt before we seriously consider steps to reduce that debt or examine its affect on American financing. All of these concerns are highlighted by recent projections of what the cost would be and what the impact would be if we experi- enced a recession of the likes of the mid-1970's and the few cush- ions we would have to protect ourselves. So these issues primarily of debt and the implications of debt, both corporate and national, I think are matters of serious concern for this committee. Thank you, and I would like to submit the balance of my state- ment for the record. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR SANFORD Senator SANFORD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I too would like to welcome Chairman Greenspan back before this committee for his semiannual report on monetary policy. The last few weeks have certainly proved to be interesting ones in the economic life of this country. I know all of us watched with considerable concern and interest as the once-mighty Drexel, Burn- ham collapsed before our very eyes. Its fall raises a host of issues about the capital position of our investment banks and their broker-dealers, and the relationships between our banks, the Feder- al Reserve and the SEC in situations in which any major market player is in jeopardy. While I commend the Federal Reserve for its Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 64 efforts in monitoring the situation to ensure that the problems at Drexel did not spill over to other parts of the market, I remain con- cerned about the implications for the junk bond market, the over- all capitalization of our firms, and in general amount of leverage held by many of our corporations. Indeed, while many have said that the fall of Drexel marks the end of the debt-driven takeover and leveraged buyout era, I remain troubled that many of the abuses that we have witnessed during this "decade of debt" have not been taken care of, and the drive to come up with new techniques for more deals or to pick up the pieces of some of the deals that have gone sour remains strong. In order to ensure that we don't go through this cycle again and that whatever is done to restructure the bad deals of this decade are done in a way that ensures proper disclosure and proper financing, I am today, along with my colleague, Jim Sasser, introducing legis- lation to address some of these abuses, including overleveraging and the trend toward shorter and shorter term investment strate- gies. In recent days we have also witnessed significant drops in the Tokyo stock market, with accompanying increases in interest rates. The high rates in Japan and Germany and their implications for our market only serve to point out how interdependent our mar- kets have become and how difficult your job is, Chairman Green- span, when it involves movements in markets other than our own. This week has also been a week when we have seen the single largest increase in the Consumer Price Index since June 1982. I am concerned that all of these developments portend a rougher cycle for our economy than one might glean from looking at the assump- tions in the President's budget. I worry over the dilemma you face, Chairman Greenspan, in trying to combat the inflationary pres- sures that would seem to be indicated by the large increase in the CPI, with the desire of the administration for lower interest rates. I look forward to your testimony and I thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Sanford. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a statement which I would like to make a part of the record. The CHAIRMAN. By all means. Senator KERRY. I would simply like to, and maybe I'll reserve this for my questions in greater length, but I know, Mr. Chairman, you don't particularly want to focus on one region over another and you try to avoid regional discussions. All economics in many ways is local to many of us and, as I know you know, New England is undergoing some serious difficul- ties now which measured against the rest of the Nation don't put it into a disaster category, but which measured against its prior per- formance over the last decade is a very, very significant change. We are constrained because of the budget deficit in our ability to be able to react in some of the normal ways that one might react through either tax expenditure or various creative programs here in Washington. So perhaps we look to the Fed as our single-most important resource for liquidity and loosening of credit and the ability to be able to respond quickly. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 65 I want to ask you a couple of things about that in the comments, but I believe that everyone is skirting the realities of the problem that Senator Sanford just alluded to and that we are terrific at making speeches about, but not very good at really doing some- thing about them. That's the budget crisis that you referred to in your own comments. Though I fear that the Fed itself has perhaps not leveraged its prestige and power in a way that it might to help force people to confront the realities of some of the choices we have right now, and I'm sure that in the course of our comments and discussion here this morning some of that will be drawn out further, and I would like to in my own questions. But let me, Mr. Chairman, ask if I could make my formal com- ments part of the record. The CHAIRMAN. By all means. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR KERRY Senator KERRY. Massachusetts, and New England, is experienc- ing a serious economic slowdown. Unemployment is inching up, in- comes are constant or falling, homeowners are seeing their equity disappear, businesses are finding it more and more difficult to get credit, and sectors like construction are in a recession. Business leaders, workers, Government officials, consumers are concerned, disappointed and frustrated. Of course, most economists who have looked carefully at the New England economy are much more optimistic about the future than the average citizen. The consensus is for a slowdown in 1990 and 1991 with unemployment rising to near the national average and income dropping from 126 percent of the national average to 124 percent. Not good news, not the right direction, but not a disaster either. Nothing would be more welcome to the Massachusetts economy than a reduction in interest rates, a loosening up of credit. And, I urge you to consider this objective, as you make the tough balanc- ing decisions between growth and stability. We need your help to get Massachusetts and the northeast growing again. In fact, the Fed is our only real hope for help out of Washington. Recently we have seen interest rates move, from my perspective, in the wrong direction, away from growth. Thirty-year treasury bonds have risen almost a full percentage point recently to 8.7 per- cent, compared to their 7.9 percent December average. I under- stand that inflation fears and the Federal budget deficit contribute to increased interest rates and to historically high "real" interest rates. Obviously, these factors place serious constraints on the Feds willingness to undertake a more stimulative monetary policy. But Mr. Chairman, New England's hope is in the Fed because, while the budget deficit constrains the Fed's freedom, it completely eliminates the use of traditional tax and targetted spending poli- cies to assist sectors and regions suffering economic difficulties in most cases. It is ironic to be pointing this out during hearings required by the Humphrey Hawkins bill. Recognizing that monetary policy was a blunt instrument, it authorized micro economic interventions to Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 66 mitigate specific sectoral or regional economic problems. Ten years later, as a result of hundred billion dollar deficits we find ourselves unable to take steps such as countercyclical revenue sharing, job training, public works and other targetted anti-recession measures. In short, the deficit is paralyzing our Government's ability to re- spond to regions in need. Mr. Chairman, our failure to get our budgetary house in order is putting our people in serious jeopardy—and yet we fiddle. And it is not only Massachusetts or New England that is at risk. The same forces that make Washington part of the problem rather than part of the solution to our region's problems, will undercut our nation's ability to bounce back from the recession that we all hope, but none of us know, will not materialize. So why don't we come to grips with the deficit? Why don't we really do what we thought we were doing when we passed Gramm- Rudman-Hollings? I'll tell you why. Because the President does not want to be the bearer of bad news, let alone be the source of action that, while prudent, may hurt a bit. And, Congress is unwilling to take the necessary action, unable to do so really, without the full cooperation and engagement of the President. The President alone can lead on this matter and for 10 years we have not had a Presi- dent who would do so. So we don't tell each family how much of their tax dollar each year just goes to pay interest on the debt. And we don't tell each family how much more in interest they are paying on everything they buy on credit, because of the deficit so we don't tell each family what job and income opportunities they missed because the deficit sopped up money that otherwise would have been used for investment. So we don't tell each family the whole truth about all the ways this deficit robs them of their future and America of its place in the world. Mr. Chairman, Congress and the President have been masquer- ading as budgetary Houdinis. We placed the loaded pistol of Gramm-Rudman-Hollings to our head and pulled the trigger, but with floors that drop-out, smoke and mirrors, the bullet is missed. Having learned that trick we have honed that slight of hand to a science. Well we in Massachusetts and New England are now a bit more aware of the price of budgetary trickery, no matter how cleverly it is done, and we are paying yet another price for it. I pray that Mr. Greenspan's crystal ball gazers are correct and that we have time to show our guts, deal with the deficit before the next recession hits. And I urge Mr. Greenspan to use his personal and institution- al prestige to put more pressure of Congress and the President to come to grips with the budget deficit. The CHAIRMAN. Chairman Greenspan, let me say that I appreci- ate the statement that you've given us today and particularly the fact that you've addressed directly some of the items that I had asked that you respond to. I must say I marvel at your ability of language. Yesterday we had President Havel speaking to us in the Joint Session, and it was really a magnificent occasion. While the exact use of words isn't precisely the same, your ability to weave through these complicat- Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 67 ed subjects is really I think quick extraordinary, and I say that as a compliment. I realize that in almost everything you say, there is the potential for it being exaggerated beyond what you might intend. That's the world in which we live. Mr. GREENSPAN. I've noticed. [Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. So have we. I want to take you back, however, to page 6 of your statement, if you could just go back there for a minute. As I was following you through the statement in that first paragraph which carries over from page 5, I noticed that you omitted speaking a line that reads as follows: "Although the CPI for January, as expected, showed a sizable jump in energy and food prices in the wake of December's cold snap, a reversal is apparently underway." I'm interested in the inflation outlook. Obviously it's a difficult thing to judge, but can you shed some light on this? Did you not mention that for a reason, or has your thinking changed? Mr. GREENSPAN. No. The only reason I didn't mention it is I was trying to shorten my statement. The statement stands as an accu- rate reflection of the view I hold. The CHAIRMAN. Well, on that point, the consumer price numbers for January were reported in the morning papers. Even if you take out the effect of the cold wave the effects on energy costs and food costs it looks as if the underlying inflation rate would still be run- ning, on the basis of that month's data, at about a 7 percent annual rate. I think that's higher than you're now projecting. You may take issue with that as any kind of a basis for a forecast, but it's inter- esting. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and everyone seems to have one, but your former colleague, Andrew Brimmer, is quoted this morning as saying that, in his view at least, the underlying in- flation pressures are still substantial and that he would be con- cerned about that. I'm wondering if this fresh information is a cause for concern or not? Mr. GREENSPAN. I think not, Mr. Chairman. We have looked at those data in some detail, and clearly the .6 percent increase, so- called ex-food, ex-energy, was higher than any of us would have forecast, and when one looks at it, there are a couple of things which did surprise us as somewhat different from what we would have forecast. When looking at the issue of inflation, one should try not to be involved so much with an individual month or an individual series. For example, one of the things that we do at the Federal Reserve is try to build up the cost structure underlying our price indexes, not by adding up the individual price changes themselves, but by trying to disaggregate the price structure in terms of labor costs, imported materials, energy costs, capital costs, and in a sense, to look at the level of prices as the sum of a number of different com- ponents in order to give us a different view as to whether the un- derlying rate is accelerating, decelerating, or doing something which is other than is shown in the direct price statistics. And as best we could judge at this particular stage, while the rate of inflation is higher than we would like, and I've said that Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 68 innumerable times, there is no evidence of which I am aware that it is accelerating. In fact, we have every reason to hope, if not be- lieve, that it may work its way in the other direction. So while I didn't like the statistic that was published, I must say to you it did not give me any great concern. The CHAIRMAN. So your best estimate now, the Fed's estimate for the inflation rate for this year, 1990, is expected to be what? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, the members of the Federal Open Market Committee, whom we polled, came up with 4 to 4 l/z percent in the Consumer Price Index. We, as an organization, don't actually fore- cast. The only forecasts that we have are a polling of the FOMC, and while I grant you it's very difficult to differentiate the FOMC from the Federal Reserve System as a whole, it's not a formal sta- tistical, elaborate macroeconomic forecast. It is an averaging of the impressions or forecasts of individual members, and it's really the view of what they think is likely to materialize. Four to 4V2 per- cent is a number which I personally find no particular quarrel with. The CHAIRMAN. You find no particular quarrel with, again this sort of gets into the use of words and nuances and avoiding exag- gerated reactions to nuances or of words. I take it then that your own view is that we're looking at something in the 4 to 4'/2 percent range as nearly as one can tell today; is that a fair summary? Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. We're going to try to stay with the clock today because I know we all have things we want to cover and I very much want to get to some other subjects. Senator Heinz. Senator HEINZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Greenspan, Senator D'Amato used the term soft land- ing and he complimented you on appearing to have achieved it. Staying in the air for any length of time in this country depends on having an adequate supply, not an excessive supply, but an ade- quate supply of debt. The Fed has for good reason pursued a policy of trying to curtail the excessive creation and use of debt, but if the events in Eastern Europe cause Japan and Europe generally to invest in the EC, and if West Germany makes massive capital investments in Eastern Europe, particularly in East Germany, and thereby press on the availability of capital causing interest rates to rise, is it possible that the soft landing that we're attempting to navigate could run out of fuel and there could be a sudden and unexpected accident? I'm not saying is it probable. Mr. GREENSPAN. Oh, it's certainly possible. The difficulty with a number of the discussions that we invariably have in committee hearings or elsewhere is that it is very difficult to convey probabil- ities. I find, for example, that when one makes a judgment about what is going to happen and what is probable and what is improb- able, we're dealing with very fragile pieces of information and really a very fragile sense of how the future will unfold. Senator HEINZ. Let me go on to the next question. I agree with you, but my question though is were you to see that happening, what could you do about it in order to avoid an accident or a crash landing? Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 69 Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, let me first say that I appreciate Senator D'Amato's views and I hope he is right, but I think we're not, as I put it in my formal remarks, out of the recessionary woods as yet, and I would like to emphasize that. In other words, I think that the probabilities are, as I indicated in earlier testimonies on the Hill, somewhat better than 50/50 that we've passed the point of maxi- mum weakness. Senator HEINZ. Mr. Chairman, I'm glad you make that point. I'm going to put some words in your mouth. You don't have to agree with them, but what you're saying is the Lunar Lander is ap- proaching the surface and you want to make sure there is some re- serve fuel in the tank just in case we got the altitude wrong. Mr. GREENSPAN. Let me say this. We've not landed yet. I think we are much farther along in a positive way than I frankly thought we would have been if one takes it from a forecast of 3 to 6 months ago. Senator HEINZ. Mr. Chairman, I commend you on your comment. I think it's very helpful and very constructive. Let me go to the next subject. We're under a time limitation and I have an 11 o'clock meeting with Secretary Barman that I must get to. One of the issues that has arisen is the question of the high-yield debt market and what has happened to it. Of course, what has hap- pened to it is there isn't one much to speak of any more. Some people have said that maybe the regulators are making a mistake in discouraging investments on all high-yield securities. What they say is that there is a difference between the kind of the "debt for debt's sake" type restructurings of R.J. Reynolds and so forth, and those high-yield bonds that were used to finance the growth of Silicon Valley. Certainly there would appear to be a dif- ference between those two kinds of uses of high yield debt. Is that a valid distinction? If it is, do you have any concern that the crash of the junk bond market, it has not make a soft landing, is going to jeopardize the ability of growth companies to raise money? If you are concerned about it, is there anything somebody ought to be doing about it? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, I agree with the implication of what you're saying, Senator. I think it is important to distinguish be- tween various different types of so-called junk bonds, and most im- portantly to look at what they are used for. One of the problems that we've all had with junk bonds in recent years is that they have been employed to a very large extent to substitute for equity in our system. We, for example, knows that the net stock issuance reduction, or more exactly the liquidation of equity was well over $100 billion for the last 2 years annually, and it goes back for a number of years. The junk bond substitution for a large part of that equity really means that we look at corporate balance sheets that are substitut- ing junk bonds for equity. That clearly is something which, in my view, undercuts the flexibility of the corporate sector and its ability to respond. Senator HEINZ. Mr. Chairman, I thank you for your statement. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 70 Mr. GREENSPAN. Just one more point. I think you are quite cor- rect, and that is that should not undermine the view that there is a role for less than investment grade securities, and I think they will continue to be used over the years though to a lesser extent than has been the case, that is, less than $200 billion, but I think none- theless it will have an important niche in our financial structure. Senator HEINZ. Mr. Chairman, could I continue with 30 seconds more? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. If it's really 30 seconds. I want to hold ev- erybody to the time today so we can get around. Senator HEINZ. It's really 30 seconds. The 10 distinguished economists, Henry Aaron, Charlie Shultz, and Paul Samuelson among them, wrote to me and others with re- spect to the Moynihan payroll tax cut proposal. They said in part that if enacted the proposal would do serious harm to the economy, the immediate effect of the $55 billion cut in payroll taxes would worsen the Federal deficit by an equivalent amount, and that the Federal Reserve would have to raise interest rates to deal with this, penalizing investment generally and long-term investments particularly. Would you agree? Mr. GREENSPAN. I would just as soon not comment directly on all of the various elements within that letter and what it implies, but obviously, as I've said in different forums, I do not support Senator Moynihan's particular proposal. Senator HEINZ. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Shelby. Senator SHELBY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Greenspan, in your written remarks you talk about an outstanding debt of U.S. held by foreigners of, what, $1.5 trillion and possibly growing. Are those numbers basically correct? Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes. Senator SHELBY. I know we basically know, but I'm not sure ev- erybody out in America knows how dependent we are on foreign investors to carry a lot of our debt because of our inability to live within our means. Could you just focus on that a minute? You have on this committee on other occasions. Mr. GREENSPAN. Although the aggregate effect on interest rates, on exchange rates and the like is very significantly impacted by the gross levels of stock of debt, there is an important issue with respect to the question of our so-called current account deficit. Es- sentially, in order to maintain our level of domestic investment, we are borrowing fairly substantial amounts of savings from abroad annually, well over $100 billion. To the extent that we endeavor to support our domestic invest- ment level from those sources we have to be sufficiently attractive with respect to rates of return to be able to, in effect, make certain that the world's aggregative savings allocates itself enough in our direction to support our level of domestic investment. Senator SHELBY. In other words, we have a world savings pool that people are dipping into. Mr. GREENSPAN. That's correct, we are dipping into that pool. Senator SHELBY. Yes, that we're dipping into. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 71 Mr. GREENSPAN. And I would say, as I have said innumerable times in the past, I don't think we should depend on that in any extensive way. It is very important for us to bring down the Feder- al budget deficit as a major means to create a much larger domes- tic savings, savings to finance our domestic investment, so that we need not be involved with very substantial borrowing, so to speak, of savings of foreigners. Senator SHELBY. Chairman Greenspan, doesn't it compound your job as the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Re- serve and the Central Bank here to control our economic destiny? Isn't it going to be harder for you and your compatriots to do this rather than what we used to do say 20 years ago? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, there is no question, Senator, that it is more difficult, but, as I said in my prepared remarks, that doesn't mean that it is impossible. In fact, I'm saying that we can do it. I mean the tools are there. Senator SHELBY. But it makes it harder, doesn't it? Mr. GREENSPAN. It does make it more difficult, yes, no question. Senator SHELBY. What makes our markets at time run different- ly from say the Japanese financial markets and the German mar- kets? Is it local demand and so forth? Mr. GREENSPAN. Do you mean why would their interest rates move differently from ours? Senator SHELBY. Right, sometimes like their bonds. Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, I would think that to a large extent it's local demand. A major difference, however, usually reflects the ex- pected rate of inflation in the domestic currencies. Senator SHELBY. Is that the psychology of inflation within their psyche? Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes. In other words if, for example, in country "X" everyone expected that their inflation rate would be 3 percent- age points greater than in country "Y", you would expect the nominal interest rates in country "X" to be on average 3 percent- age points higher. Senator SHELBY. They would want the interest rates bid up to re- flect that. Mr. GREENSPAN. I'm sorry? Senator SHELBY. They would want the interest rate pay bid up to reflect that. Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes, almost fully because people essentially lend in real terms. In other words, what they are doing is they are taking their current purchasing power, foregoing its use, and lend- ing it to somebody, and they want it back in real terms. That's the reason why that process works the way it does. Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, isn't the psychology of inflation creeping back in the American psyche now when you read like this morning, and Chairman Reigle mentioned it and others, where the CPI has gone up and the wholesale price index the month before much more than the numbers you've been talking about of 4 and 4V2 percent. The average American businessman or individual, they see that, and isn't that bringing back what we had 10 years ago, the psychol- ogy of inflation and, if so, is that very dangerous? Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 72 Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, it would be if it were true. I must tell you, Senator, I don't see any signs of that. In fact, I still sense that there is in the American business structure a general awareness that prices are basically soft, that you don't get any real sense of an acceleration, and when you look at the details of the numbers, you don't see that process moving. Should it occur, then I think it could be quite dangerous, but I must say to you that I don't see it. Senator SHELBY. But there are short-term numbers out there that we're seeing now that if they were to continue, and I assume you're saying they are not going to continue. Mr. GREENSPAN. I would tell you this, that I would be most sur- prised. Senator SHELBY. Most surprised. Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes. Senator SHELBY. We would be surprised, too, from what you've said. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator D'Amato. Oh, excuse me just one moment. I see Senator Pressler has come in. Senator Pressler, did you have an opening comment you wanted to make? Senator PRESSLER. Very briefly, I have an editorial from the Rapid City Journal regarding the issue of the Internal Revenue Service no longer withhold taxes that foreigners owe us on invest- ments here, and if I'm able to stay I would like to ask a question about that or would appreciate the Chairman's comments, and also I have some questions for the record. I'm also in a product liability hearing over in the Commerce Committee and will try to stay. I thank the Chairman very much, and I'll submit my questions for the record. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Pressler. Senator D'Amato. Senator D'AMATO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as you know, we operate the Federal Government on a cash basis making no distinction between tax dollars spent on consumption and those spent on investments that have many years of useful life. Indeed, the General Accounting Office has said that this process creates a budget bias against capital investment pro- grams. What is your opinion about the benefits of modifying the present Federal budget process to eliminate this bias against long-term in- vestment by the Government, and is capital budgeting a sounder method from an economist's point of view? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, Senator, while I do think there is that sort of problem, I think that the issue which has been discussed at great length over the years of going to a capital budget for the Fed- eral Government risks a misunderstanding of what the deficit itself is meaningful for. There are I think for planning purposes very important uses of capital budgeting and distinguishing it, and in fact we do. We do keep accounts separately in some considerable detail. It is very im- portant, however, when looking at the Federal budget from a finan- Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 73 cial point of view to remember that it doesn't matter at all wheth- er something is borrowed for a long-term capital project or whether it is borrowed for short-term consumption unless the long-term cap- ital project has a self-amortizing feature, meaning it has cash coming back and that in a sense it's like a business, in which case then the financial market's effect is different. But as a general rule, the vast majority of capital projects of the Federal Government do not have income-returning aspects, and so far as how they are financed, they are indistinguishable from con- sumption items in the Federal budget, and their impact on the money markets on interest rates, and on the financial structure is in fact indistinguishable. So I would say from the point of view of looking at the Federal deficit and its financing, it is very important that we not make that segregation, although from analytical and efficiency of Gov- ernment points of view, it is useful to have the differences, as you point out, and I hope that when we evaluate the Government out- lays, we do take into account the fact that certain projects are not consumption, that they are investments and they do go over a long period of time. That should be kept in mind in making the various expenditures priorities, but not in financing priorities, as I see it. Senator D'AMATO. I thank you, Mr. Chairman, for making that distinction as it relates to those projects which are long-term and have no dollar revenues to support a different treatment that I think the question of capital budgets always raises. Let me ask you one more general question as it relates to the Tax Code. I believe that the Tax Code needs to be amended in order to correct the bias against savings. Would you care to comment in a general way, and I don't want to get you into the sticky issue of if you support Senator So and So's IRA program as opposed to another one, but as it relates to the general proposition are you satisfied or do you believe we could do more to create savings and should taxation be the process in which we attempt to deal with the bias against savings? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, Senator, I fully supported the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which I thought was a remarkable construction, and specifically the ability to bring marginal tax rates down as much as we did, which I think was a major factor in improving the ability of the system to save and save in the right way. I think what remains if one looks at the structural question is the double taxation of dividends, which is an inhibitor of savings. Senator D'AMATO. They are going to think, my colleagues, that you and I discussed this. You know this is a soft ball for me. Let me go beyond the question of double taxation of dividends. If we were to accept that, what other area should we look at to improve a prejudice for savings, if you would care to comment? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, I think there are a lot of different techni- cal things which would fundamentally alter a tax structure and which would improve savings, but they are so far out that I don't think they are realistic possibilities. Senator D'AMATO. Is there any other one realistic? For example, in England they have a savings pool where they will give to the small investor so many dollars and not tax it if it's put into an in- vestment pool? Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 74 Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, that's not dissimilar to the President's plan which has been put forth, which I would be supportive of. I think that we have to distinguish between small changes and big structural changes. I think the smaller changes are not going to make a big difference, but structural changes might, like the double taxation of dividends. There are people who are arguing for a substitution for the income tax of a savings tax, meaning that you get taxed on a progressive basis on how much consumption you have. So you can maintain a progressive tax structure, but essen- tially not tax savings at all. I suspect, as most expect who have evaluated this, that that would have a major impact. But that is such a radical change that I think it's a political issue and it's probably not even worth start- ing to discuss. Senator D'AMATO. My time has expired, and I thank the Chair- man. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just ask a question for the record as a follow-on to what Senator D'Amato asked. Since the passage of the 1987 Tax Act, have we seen a measurable change and improvement in the savings rate? I know it's a complicated issue, but is there or isn't there? Mr. GREENSPAN. I would say as to a measurable change, the answer is no. I would think that it's probably largely neutral as best one can see from the data. Although there has been some obvi- ous improvement in the personal savings rate, I would not at- tribute it to the Act. The CHAIRMAN. I appreciate that. It's a long area of discussion, and I think it's important. Senator Graham. Senator GRAHAM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Greenspan, it's always constructive to have you here to give us your perspective on current economic conditions. I would like to focus on two issues, one the current state of the savings and loan industry and our efforts last year at its salvation and, second, the Brady Plan as it has been applied in Mexico. On the first subject, when the administration presented its S&L plan approximately a year ago, there were a number of economic assumptions upon which it was predicated. Two of those were first that there would be a growth in deposits in the depository institu- tions that paid into what had been the FSLIC fund of 7.2 percent a year. When you testified last year you said that in the context of the fact that there had been a less than anticipated growth in that fund since the September 1988 base that it would require not a 7.2 percent, but a 9 percent growth rate over the next 3 to 4 years in order to lift growth to the percentage average upon which the plan had been predicated. In fact, since March of last year there has been no growth in the fund, and in November there was almost a $9 billion flight of cap- ital from the S&L institutions, and therefore a reduction in the base upon which the premiums could be paid. The second factor was the interest rate at which the Revcor bonds would be sold. The assumption was a 7.9 percent interest Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 75 rate. I believe that the first sale of those bonds was approximately 25 to 50 bases points above that level. In light of those differences between the assumptions and the re- ality, do you have any recommendations of what we ought to be doing in terms of reviewing the S&L bailout transaction? I'm par- ticularly concerned that we do not repeat in the 1990's what we did in the mid-1980's, and that is let the situation fester to the point that a manageable problem became the largest financial crisis in the history of the country. Mr. GREENSPAN. Senator, I certainly agree that the 7.2 percent forecast was wrong. It has been very substantially changed, but I'm not certain that it really fundamentally affects very much. It does clearly indicate a slower flow of premiums into the thrift savings insurance fund. But to the extent that those deposits shifted into commercial banks, they would show up in the bank insurance fund. There would be some loss, however, because there are different rates for both of the funds. But it's not a material issue with re- spect to the actual total bailout scheme. In other words, the $50 billion really reflects an evaluation at the time of what the losses are in the assets of the thrift institu- tions which ultimately impact upon the insurance funds, and the particular assumptions about the rate of growth of thrift deposits did not relate to that calculation. It does relate to other elements within the flows into the funds, and it does have effects, but from the point of view that you're asking, which I assume is the short- term overall bailout financing question, neither one of those two assumptions is really crucial. They affect things at the margin, but the basic problem of financing is going to be what the markdown on assets in those failed institutions is ultimately going to be. Senator GRAHAM. Mr. Chairman, the second question is your evaluation of the current application of the Brady Plan to Mexico. Three weeks ago documents were signed between Mexico and the various financial institutions. What will you be monitoring over the next few months to deter- mine the success of the Brady Plan in Mexico, its impact on U.S. commercial banks and its potential applicability to other debtor na- tions? Chairman GREENSPAN. Well, obviously the major purpose of the type of financing that took place was to restore basic confidence in the Mexican economy, and there has been clearly a very significant shift that has occurred there over the last several years. Specific things that one would look at clearly would have to do with the extent of direct investment in Mexico the extent to which foreign capital starts moving in, and certainly the extent to which flight capital which had flowed out moves back in. So if one wants to look at the question of success or failure, there are a number of things that one looks at, but the fundamental thing that one tries to appraise is the basic Mexican economy, how well is it doing, how well is it growing, what is the level of infla- tion, what is the level of the budget deficit, and with respect to the international aspects of it, to what extent is capital flowing net into Mexico as distinct from out. Senator GRAHAM. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Mack. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 76 Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Alan, as you know, I have argued in the past that the best way to bring down interest rates is to have a consistent monetary policy to achieve price stability or price rule if you will. I am convinced that uncertainty about Fed policy breeds price in- stability and price instability breeds higher interest rates. It was therefore interesting for me to read the dissenting views by your colleague, Wayne Angell, at a recent December FOMC meeting where he expressed concern that the Fed was responding to indicators of weakness in economic activity that were conse- quences of somewhat cautious policy responses earlier. So I would like to read a portion of his views and then ask my question. Policy decisions should rely on leading indicators, commodity prices, the exchange rate, the yield curve, and money supply growth. Attention to such indicators has served policy well in the past. During the spring and summer while the dollar was appreciating and commodity prices, including gold, were generally falling, easing of reserve conditions was accommodated by the lower long-term interest rates neces- sary to undergird housing and other long-term investments. At this meeting, again December, price level indicators were not signaling a need for further ease. In these circumstances, an additional drop in the Federal funds rate coming after two previ- ous easing moves in the fourth quarter could raise doubts about the system's com- mitment to its objective of price stability, especially given that the easing would fur- ther stimulate M2 growth. Under such circumstances, further easing of reserve pressures would tend to accommodate rising prices, foster uncertainty in the finan- cial markets and drive up long-term interest rates, thereby increasing the likelihood of economic instability. Steady policy in pursuit of price stability using forward-look- ing indicators would reduce uncertainty about price trends, bolster confidence in the dollar domestically and internationally and bring about lower interest rates and higher economic growth. I apologize for that lengthy reading of that, but my question to you is this. What is your long-term plan to stabilize the price level and assure the purchasing power of money? Can you lay out for us how we are going to get stable prices, low interest rates and stable exchange rates if not by how Governor Angell suggests? Mr. GREENSPAN. If I could answer the question in 2 or 3 minutes it would imply that we knew a great deal more than we know. The proper answer, because we don't know as much as we would like, is very long but I won't carry it forth today. What Governor Angell and what you in fact implicitly are rais- ing really by the nature of your question, Senator, is the funda- mental question about long-term Federal Reserve strategy which we spend a good deal of time discussing in FOMC meetings. We do try to get a collegial consensus on the general approach, not just counting noses of what the various votes are. And there are differ- ences. There are differences with respect to the question of how certain are we about certain trends and how certain are we about cause and effect within the very broad world economic structure. And there are differences between the members at different times. I would think that how one behaves in a particular context very much depends on how one evaluates what the forces of cause and effect are. I would like to say I could write out a simple plan which would hold forth for the next 5 years and bring us down to a noninflation- ary level of prices. We don't know enough to do that in great Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 77 detail, but what we do know is that we need to lean in that direc- tion and look for opportunities to lower gradually the rate of growth of money supply. Ultimately, as I believe I said in my formal remarks, to get an inflation rate down below where it is now we would have to get a somewhat lower longer-term rate of M2 growth. But we have to be very careful how that is done be- cause if you mechanically just push forward it is very easy in the context of what is still a fragile economy to tilt us over. And I think as a consequence of that all of the various members of the FOMC, while I'd say are in general agreement about where we are heading, have varying different sensitivities of where the problems are or how tight cause and effect relationships are. So in that sense, I don't know whether I could answer your ques- tion very specifically because none of us know enough to give you a firm plan. But we do know enough to understand the processes as they develop and how to handle them so as to bias inflation down. The complexity of what confronts us as we go through a 5-year period is something which we cannot forecast in advance. There- fore, because we cannot forecast all of its various elements in ad- vance, we cannot know in advance precisely step-by-step what is the optimum way of proceeding. I don't know whether that responds to your question specifically, but obviously I did not agree with my colleague and tennis partner in that particular meeting and we voted in a different way. Senator MACK. If I could have just a very quick follow-up The CHAIRMAN. Yes, if it is quick because I do want to try to stay in the time limits. Senator MACK. What I would draw out of what you said is that while you would agree with the general direction of consistent policy working toward zero inflation would bring down interest rates but there are things that are going Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, we have chosen not to use the word "zero" because our main concern is to get to a non inflationary environ- ment which may or may not require us being down to zero. Senator MACK. I will just let it go at that. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to pick up where I left off. Again, I know that regional comments are not your preference, but I really feel compelled to ask you about this both because of your role as the leading commentator and leading person who has a capacity to affect that economy in the country and also because the situation is really so pervasive throughout New England. I know you have heard from other people on this. I know the As- sociated Industries have written you. It has been a subject of some discussion and there's really been an enormous transition. I have been hearing from small retailers and others who talk about liquid- ity crunch, credit crunch, people are having to jump through hoops who have had performing loans for 20 years and never missed an interest payment and so forth. Suddenly loans are being called and so forth. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 78 There's a total change in the texture of the economy not just of Massachusetts but of New England and it has been described in various ways by various people. Most economists who have looked at the New England and Mas- sachusetts economy appear to be optimistic, which is at great vari- ance from this pervasive attitude among those who are doing busi- ness at large. Lynn Brown, the outstanding chief economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, told a large gathering of business leaders last week: We are talking slowdown. We are not talking economic disaster. We have lost our perspective. The orgy of pessimism into which the region is slipping is not warrant- ed. The spotlight on prominent individuals and institutions has given the impres- sion that the impact on the economy is greater than is actually the case. Summarizing these economists' findings, the Boston Globe edito- rialized that "the bloom is off the boom, but the regional economy is healthy." Another very knowledgeable observer, your colleague, John LeWare, a member of the Federal Reserve Board, recently came to a similar conclusion and he expressed it this way in a speech that he made in Boston. He said: For a decade the growth and prosperity of the Commonwealth were the envy of the rest of the country. We were on a roll and it didn't look like it would ever stop. Although the posted speed limit on the Mass Pike is 55, most of the traffic whirls along at 65 to 70. After you've been traveling with the crowd well over the limit, if you have to slow down there's a sense of disappointment and frustration. I would argue, as has John LeWare, that the outlook for Massa- chusetts and New England is only as depressing as the prospect of having to slow down from 70 to 55 on the pike. After reviewing the various forecasts for New England, he con- cluded, "Those numbers certainly don't describe a disaster situa- tion by any means, but they do indicate a real change of pace from that of recent years." Now again, realizing your reservations and I understand them about dealing with regional economics phenomena, I still believe that where restoring some realism and some basic confidence among New Englanders about their economy is obviously so impor- tant I was hoping you might at least say a few words about that outlook based on the observations of both Lynn Brown and John LeWare. Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes, I would basically agree with the thrust of both parties. It's very difficult to remember how frenetic the level of activity in New England was a couple of years ago, and it was growing at a pace which was clearly unsustainable. The process of merely slowing down creates a sense of deterioration which exag- gerates the underlying weakness. It's difficult to believe, but the unemployment rate in Massachusetts, for example, during the fourth quarter of last year was 4.5 percent. Now what that tells you is that the economy is still relatively tight but there is no question that when you come off a very high rate of growth down to a still moderate rate of growth, it feels like a recession. It has all of the psychological characteristics of some- thing imploding, and one of the reasons it does is that people project that process to continue straight down. It doesn't always happen that way. In fact, most of the time it doesn't happen that Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 79 way. But it feels worse than it is, and I do agree with my col- leagues that if one steps back and looks at the broader issue you do get a different sense than when you're talking among groups of people in the business community and in the real estate communi- ty in the New England area. Senator KERRY. Well, I appreciate that observation and comment very, very much. I see my yellow light is on and I just want to ask another quick question if I can. In talking about American competitiveness, we are constantly confronted with the question of cost of capital and it obviously plays a significant role in choices that people make. The real inter- est rates historically in this country have been around 2 to 3 per- cent. In 1985, I guess they peaked at 7 percent. They are now hov- ering around 4 percent. But very significantly above that of most of the industrialized competitor nations we are competing with. The question in your testimony on page 4 you talked about ex- pectations of inflation and future price behavior affecting the nomi- nal rates. My question to you is why are the real rates so high and what can we do to adjust to what most business people say is the critical component of their competitive capacity? Mr. GREENSPAN. There are basically two reasons. One is—and this is the most fundamental—our domestic savings rate is very low and the consequence of that is that the balance between the supply and demand for domestic savings and investment requires real interest rates to rise to bring forth the amount of savings nec- essary for investment. Second, our inflation rate has been higher, and when an inflation rate is higher, you get a degree of instability perceived in the econ- omy, and hence you get a risk premium, an instability risk premi- um, which adds to the real rate of interest. Most see the problem with respect to inflation rates usually affecting nominal rates of in- terest, but it's important to understand they also affect real rates. So a combination of inadequate savings and an inflation rate which is higher than some of our competitors I think explains a goodly part of that difference. That clearly suggests that the major policy area which has to be addressed is our Federal budget deficit, which is perhaps the most useful and expeditious way to bring up our domestic savings rate and hopefully, as a consequence, a de- cline in our real cost of capital. Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much. Senator Sarbanes and then Senator Sanford. Senator SARBANES. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First, let me just follow along the previous discussion. I take it that you see the quickest way to improve the savings front is in the public sector to reduce the public deficit, is that correct? Mr. GREENSPAN. That's correct. Senator SARBANES. Would I take it from that that you would oppose any measures "designed" in some way or other to encour- age savings and investment whose initial impact would be to in- crease the public deficit. Mr. GREENSPAN. It depends on what the time frame is because remember our problem of low savings really is a longer-term issue Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 80 and I would want to look at the longer-term consequences of a pro- posal with respect to savings. Senator SARBANES. So you would countenance I take it then from that answer an increase in the deficit in the short run if you thought it was going to bring a long-run increase in savings. Is that correct? Mr. GREENSPAN. Theoretically, the answer is yes, but I must say to you that I find that that is probably unlikely unless one had some extraordinary assurance that the situation would turn around. But the answer in principle is yes. Senator SARBANES. Let me come back then to the question. Do I take it then from that answer that in effect your response to the first question is that you would not countenance measures that would increase the deficit, given the difficulty of making the longer-run prediction which you've just asserted? Mr. GREENSPAN. Yes. I would say I would certainly look at them, but I would have to look skeptically. Senator SARBANES. So any of these proposals that come along and are designed to "raise savings" and improve that concern, if its initial impact is to add to the deficit, you would be skeptical about it? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, let me be very specific, Senator. The up- front cost is known for certain. The savings effect is known with less certainty. And when you match certainty against less certain- ty, the burden of proof is on those who argue that it has a signifi- cant positive effect in the later years. Senator SARBANES. How serious and of how much concern should it be that we are running these large trade deficits year to year? Mr. GREENSPAN. I think it's a long-term concern in the context of the current account deficit, which as you know is related to the trade deficit, in that we are absorbing foreign savings to essentially finance our domestic investment. We can do that for a while and clearly the markets are quite favorably disposed to investing in the United States and we are not having difficulty in any measurable manner of obtaining foreign savings to finance our domestic invest- ment, but I don't think that we should rely on that fact indefinitely into the future. That is one of the reasons I have argued for a sig- nificant reduction, hopefully even a surplus, in our Federal ac- counts so that we basically can remove the need for the significant net drain of foreign savings to finance our domestic investment. We can supply it ourselves. Senator SARBANES. Did you regard it as a serious development that the United States went from being a creditor nation to being a debtor nation? Mr. GREENSPAN. Not in an important economic sense. Senator SARBANES. How about in a political sense? Mr. GREENSPAN. In the political sense, I think it does reflect this same problem and it symbolizes it, but we have very great trouble with the data, and there are reasons why the net debt per se is not as important an issue as the flows which it relates to. And as I in- dicated in my Senator SARBANES. Now given these flows which you've said con- tinue to come but on which we are increasingly reliant, would you Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 81 say the United States is increasingly finding itself in the position of being dependent upon the kindness of strangers? Mr. GREENSPAN. I would scarcely call it kindness. I think they are investing in the United States because they perceive it as a place where rates of return are good. Our laws are very favorable to the protection of property rights and we are a place where long- term investment is feasible. I think that's a plus. Senator SARBANES. Do you feel any pressure to uphold the value of the dollar in order to assure continued foreign financing of U.S. deficits? Mr. GREENSPAN. I don't see it directly in the markets, but I would say that as an economist I would find it hard to believe that there was no effect. I think that there is some effect on real inter- est rates in the United States as a consequence of our needing to drain funds from abroad. Senator SARBANES. Isn't the Fed sensitive to that consideration? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, sensitive in that—if you're saying are we aware of that fact, of course we are aware of that fact. Senator SARBANES. Well, don't you have to accommodate it to some extent? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, as I say in my prepared remarks, there are certain elements within the economy which monetary policy is not best suited or even approximately suited to address. The issue of our current account deficit is largely something which has to be addressed effectively from fiscal policy, not monetary policy, be- cause it really gets to the basic imbalance of domestic investment and domestic savings. In fact, arithmetically, our current account deficit is essentially the difference between domestic investment and domestic savings, and only if we can affect those numbers in a significant way, can we resolve this question. And that's the reason why I think the Federal budget deficit is such a crucial issue here. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I see my time has expired. I would just make this observation. We have the story that the trade gap has reached a 5-year low. It's still at $109 billion. It was $119 billion last year. It was $152 billion the year before. That's an im- provement, but nevertheless, we still have gone in effect another $109 billion into the debtor status. I wanted to ask the chairman what he saw 5 years down the road with these kind of continued trends. It just seems to me that we are just digging ourselves in deeper and deeper. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. I might just make two observations at that point before yielding to Senator Sanford. One is that we changed the manner in which we calculate that data last year, we now leave off the cost of insurance and transportation. That tends to run about a billion dollars a month on a trade deficit that's running $9 to $10 billion a month. So those reported numbers look better than they really are, in my view. I think that change in the accounting system was questionable, but in terms of how much improvement year to year, we've had less improvement. Senator SARBANES. So in other words, instead of having dropped from $152 to $109, we really dropped from $152 to $121? The CHAIRMAN. That would be my view. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Mr. GREENSPAN. No. These numbers are consistent so that you have to add freight and insurance to both. The CHAIRMAN. I don't dispute that. You would have to add it to the $152, but the point is you've got to add it to the $109, so that the $109 in fact isn't $109. Mr. GREENSPAN. That's correct. In other words, I am just saying that the change is about the same but the levels are both higher. The CHAIRMAN. Just a second point, and I want to do this briefly and I will. I want to draw Senator Sarbanes' attention to your com- ment down at the bottom of page 15 where you say here, "The Fed- eral Reserve can address itself either to domestic prices or ex- change rates but cannot be expected to achieve objectives for both simultaneously." That's a very powerful fact of life which you, I think, candidly put forward here. It relates importantly to this dis- cussion, and I want to come back to it. Senator Sanford. Senator SANFORD. Thank you very much. I come from a part of North Carolina that was settled by the Scots that came up the Cape Fear River. I grew up in that commu- nity and they are burdened with two considerable traits. One of them is honesty and the other one is fiscal integrity. I've had to operate in that climate most of my life. Mr. GREENSPAN. Those are terrible burdens, Senator. Senator SANFORD. Great burdens. And it makes me very uncom- fortable here in Washington if I can't somehow find a way to ad- dress the implication of those burdens, I'm boggled by the fact that since I've been here and several years prior to that we've heard constantly year after year that the Federal deficits were being re- duced, not rapidly enough but that Gramm-Rudman had a sched- ule. Then we rearranged the Gramm-Rudman schedule and now as I understand it we are going to rearrange it again to run until 1993. All of that time we've seen what I would consider actual defi- cits which I define to be the annual increase in the national debt, increasing year after year, not decreasing at all. This annual in- crease is now somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 billion. In fiscal year 1991's budget, according to Mr. Darman, I think it might end up at $300 billion or it might be a little bit less than that, but it is still too large a figure. The point is that our accumulated deficits by 1993 without any doubt will be approximately $4 trillion. Interest then will be clear- ly the highest item in the budget. Interest now claims 40 percent of all dollars that come in from tax sources. Forty percent of the money we take in is the interest bill. While we don't pay it all out in cash, we continue to capitalize the interest and it's carried in the Federal debt. As I struggle with this problem, let me ask you if we redefined deficit into just a straightforward definition as the annual increase in the national debt, would that cause interest rates to rise? Mr. GREENSPAN. I think the markets are sufficiently knowledgea- ble, Senator, not to be affected by how we keep our books because the participants in the markets are very sophisticated. They have all the data that we have and how we rearrange it doesn't change anything. So we are not going to change any level of interest rates by how we keep our books. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Senator SANFORD. We might be fooling the public but we are not fooling the people that calculate over deficit. Mr. GREENSPAN. We might fool ourselves but we won't fool the people who are out there in the markets. Senator SANFORD. I was impressed with the speed with which the Fed responded to the October slump a couple years ago on the stock market. I also was pleased to see that you were monitoring the Drexel Burnham situation and its effect on the markets. Do you think we need changes in our broker-dealer capital re- quirements or the regulatory structure affecting the parent firms of a holding company of broker-dealers? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, Senator, as you know Senator SANFORD. The point being that folks say, well, the junk bond mania is over now and we don't need to do anything. The question is, is there something we need to da? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, I think, Senator, as you know, the Securi- ties and Exchange Commission has a bill pending in this Congress to Increase the disclosure and reporting requirements of the hold- ing companies of the securities firms and I think the first thing that one really has to understand is how some of that gets put to- gether. We at the Federal Reserve have very significant amounts of data on these various different types of institutions and the Federal Re- serve Bank of New York has made a special effort to collect a good deal of information which I must say was very useful in under- standing the various different risks involved in the Drexel bank- ruptcy. I would hesitate at this stage to suggest any regulatory legisla- tion because I don't think at this particular point that we know enough yet to make useful judgments in that regard. I would like to see the data in detail first. Senator SANFORD. But you are in the process of gathering that data in? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, the actual full detail will not be available unless and until there is passage of legislation which enables the Securities and Exchange Commission to request such data of the nonbrokered dealer subsidiaries of these larger securities institu- tions. Senator SANFORD. Do you know whether the RTC and the thrifts generally are still overstocked with junk bonds? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, I don't know what overstocked would mean. I guess at this stage anything is "over." Senator SANFORD. That would be my definition. Mr. GREENSPAN. Considering what's happened to the prices of a lot of these bonds I would think that the last few months have not been a very enjoyable one for those who are large holders. But the size of total junk bonds in the system is still small. It's not a large number. There are a number of thrift institutions which have fairly large commitments to junk bonds, but it's not a huge, pervasive issue. It's more localized with a certain number of institutions than a very large problem in a large number of institu- tions. That it is not. Senator SANFORD. Thank you very much. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 84 The CHAIRMAN. I would like to follow up on what Senator San- ford said a minute ago and what I took your response to mean. I take it, that for brokerage firms such as Drexel or others, the SEC, in your view, ought to have the authority to be able to monitor the upstream affiliate activity. Is that correct? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, let me say this. We at the Federal Reserve Board are somewhat divided on exactly what those powers should be and I would say I personally marginally am in favor of it and would be supportive personally, but I am not speaking for the Board of Governors. The CHAIRMAN. I appreciate the distinction. Mr. GREENSPAN. I would be personally in favor of the legislation which has been brought to the Congress. The CHAIRMAN. I think that's an important statement from an important person who brings a lot of knowledge and insight to that subject. I had the same concerns that Senator Sanford has ex- pressed. We have the Chairman of the SEC coming in on March 2 to discuss that precise issue here, so we will have some chance to pursue it then. But I think we do need to know more about what's going on in the affiliate area, and we may find that that's particu- larly relevant in the Drexel case that we are in the middle of now. We'll see. Senator SANFORD. Mr. Chairman, I want to excuse myself. I've got a 12 o'clock appointment and I thank again Mr. Greenspan. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just also ask while we are on that sub- ject, Mr. Greenspan, do you agree with the risk assessment provi- sions of the market reform bill? Mr. GREENSPAN. I'm not familiar with what exactly you're refer- ring to. The CHAIRMAN. Let me ask you to take a look at those provisions if you would. There are some risk assessment provisions that are laid out in that bill, and I would think that they would be some- thing that you would find useful for us to have. I'd like for you to just take a look and respond for the record if you would. In effect, they would give the SEC the authority to obtain information of the finances of holding companies and affiliates. Take a look at it, and let us have a response. I think it's timely. [Chairman Greenspan subsequently responded to Chairman Rie- gle's request in his answer (4) to written questions that Chairman Riegle sent in his letter of March 13.] The CHAIRMAN. I've asked the staff, just in the last few minutes, to go out and try to determine how much of U.S. Government debt instruments are now held by foreigners. In other words, what is the extent to which we are tapping into this international pool of lendable money to finance deficits here in the United States. This is the series of data that I've been given coming forward from 1984. It's gone up very substantially. In 1984, the data that I've been given indicates that $193 billion would have been out- standing in the hands of foreign lenders. In 1985, that went up to $225 billion; in 1986, $263 billion; 1987, $300 billion—I'm rounding off here to the nearest billion—in 1988, $362 billion; in 1989, $394 billion, and that was through September. That was the number through the month of September, so it would have been higher, one assumes, by year end, though not necessarily certainly so. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 85 In any event, it looks as if what we have done here in a period of 5 years is that we have doubled the amount of foreign holdings of U.S. Government debt instruments going up from roughly $193 bil- lion in 1984 to $394 billion through September 1989. Can we continue to do this indefinitely, do you think? Are the foreigners going to continue inexorably to take on larger and larger amounts of U.S. debt? Can we safely make that assumption? Obviously it relates to what the price is. If the interest rate and the expectation on exchange rates is such that our debt instru- ments don't look as attractive as some other country's, then pre- sumably it gets harder to sell. You may be able to sell it, but at a higher rate. But setting aside for the moment the question of what rates you have to offer to attract the foreign capital, are we likely to see that trend continue? Are we likely, say over the next 5 years, to see the amount of U.S. Government debt in the hands of foreign lenders double again? Mr. GREENSPAN. I don't know if it will double, Mr. Chairman, but what we are looking at is a process which, as I indicated in my pre- pared testimony, is a globalization of the financial systems in the sense that we in the United States are investing more monies abroad, people abroad are investing more moneys here, and the process is grossing up in the sense that the ratio of foreign holders to domestic holders of financial instruments I believe is probably rising in every major industrial country. That is, in a sense, an in- dication of the increasing globalization. In that sense, I would expect that the ratio of our total financial instruments in the United States held by foreigners will continue to increase. Whether it increases at the pace of the most recent period, I really don't know, but that is part of the process that is going to go on and, in my judgment, irreversibly. We will find, for example, that there will be American holders of assets abroad whose foreign assets are rising as a share of their total assets as well. I think it's important to look at the total proc- ess, this grossing up of global commitments to get a better under- standing of what the flows are. But I think the crucial point that you raise, Mr. Chairman, is the issue of when the net savings flows begin to become difficult to finance. In short, can we in effect con- tinue to attract foreigners net on balance here—that sort of nets out the pluses and the minuses—and that's an issue which I think is going to confront us over the years ahead. The CHAIRMAN. Do we even have the luxury of being confronted by it in the years ahead? Aren't we in effect being confronted with it, in part, now? Mr. GREENSPAN. I am not sure how significant the current flurry in interest rates is. We know that there is this big investment hole in Eastern Europe. There is an extraordinary possibility here for a major expansion, largely in investments into these countries to export back out into the hard currency nations. It's not selling to the individuals but it's using the infrastructure, which is a lower cost infrastructure, to ship goods out, so there are potential signifi- cant rates of return. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 86 What we are seeing is a general awareness of this process and that's why I think we saw the rise in long-term rates throughout the world. What we don't know is whether or not that potential out there is yet fully discounted in the market because if it is, then the interest rate rise is enough. If they have overdone it, there will be a partial retracement and if there's still an excess of expectations of invest- ment opportunities versus sayings, then rates could go up more. We don't know enough at this stage to basically make that judg- ment, but to merely project those rates straight up I'm sure is not correct. The process is much more sophisticated and much more complex than a simple market extrapolation. This is an extraordi- nary change in the nature of world savings and investment which I don't think has any historic precedent exactly in this form, certain- ly not in the last 40 years. The CHAIRMAN. Well, I think this is a crucial subject for us to discuss here today a little bit further. As Eastern Europe tries to come fully into the industrialized 20th century and head into the 21st century, they appear to have enormous capital requirements to get into the game—decades to make up for. Is the world's sav- ings pool, as we now see it, going to be sufficient to finance their catch-up, as enormous as it is? We're still dipping into that interna- tional savings pool to take out the large share of borrowed money for our huge deficit needs to finance a lot of our present consump- tion. Is the world's saving pool going to be sufficient to handle all of these credit needs, given the fact that we've just gotten an entire new batch of major capital investment credit needs presented? Mr. GREENSPAN. Also remember, Mr. Chairman, as these coun- tries begin to move their economies and incomes up, they too will begin to generate a significant amount of savings for their own purposes. So it's precisely the answer to that question which you raise which has led the markets to grope for an equilibrium to get a sense of where the balance is. It is the most important financial issue of the decade. It's happening very quickly. If the various changes in Central Europe and Eastern Europe had occurred over a period of years, it would be one thing, but they are all happening at approximately the same time and this is a very large, skilled, educated population whose underlying basic needs—let me put it this way—whose potential for growth is really extraordinary. It is that which has led to the interest of pools of world savings looking to Eastern Europe as a potential source of significant rates of return. The CHAIRMAN. And there are more reasons than just the eco- nomic returns. Again, referring to President Havel's comments yes- terday, and I thought he was as eloquent as words could be Mr. GREENSPAN. It really was extraordinary. The CHAIRMAN. I suspect that because of the phenomenal size and nature of this new condition and new opportunity, there will not be much of a savings rate in Eastern Europe any time soon. I think Eastern Europe is going to eat capital and, for a while, not be able to produce much in the way of savings because you not only have an industrial base to build—a private sector production base to get into place and with modern roads and a lot of other things that go with it—but you've got a consumer group that Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 87 doesn't really have very much. Things like acquiring cars or wash- ing machines or housing or things of that kind will consume any income over and above what it takes to live each day. If that is generally so, I don't see how the United States with its financial balances so out of order—our fiscal deficits out of order, masked by the Social Security surplus transfers, our trade deficit very substantially out of order, our savings rate still very anemic— is going to be able to go out and grab the same share out of the international savings pool without having to bid a higher price for it. I think that's some of what's happened just in the last couple of months. I think as interest rates have gone up around the world, they've helped pull our rates up. I am not sure you would have wanted to see our rates go higher if we could have disconnected from foreign influences and kept them lower. I think they've been pulled up because world rates have gone up. Do you disagree with that? Mr. GREENSPAN. I basically agree with the thrust of what you're saying, Mr. Chairman. I wish to add one caveat, however. The point of view which you hold, which I think is a rather sophisticat- ed view of the way the process is emerging, is also what the market is looking at. And what I said before and would like to reiterate is that you're explaining why interest rates have moved up and why they are where they are. We have to distinguish between market adjustments which happen fairly quickly as soon as knowledge is absorbable. I think it's becoming fairly clear that the opportunities in Eastern Europe are very significant and that there is likely to be a shortfall cer- tainly in their domestic savings which requires for a time a signifi- cant amount of foreign investment and savings to move in. That, other things equal, would tend to raise the level of real in- terest rates, long-term real interest rates, throughout the world and indeed it probably has. That's what we are looking at. But we cannot go from there to say that because of the imbalance between Central Europe's savings and investment that therefore rates will go higher from here because what causes that to occur is a revision of the judgment—in effect, pretty much the judgment that you have made, because it's not clear at this stage whether in fact the markets have moved rates to balance a long-term view of savings and investment flows in Eastern Europe. The only thing you can basically say is that that process is going on but what you cannot say is whether or not the increase in rates has now fully discounted a series of forecasts into the future. We don't know the answer to that. In fact it's one of the extraordinary things about markets. Because we don't know how to do it, the market flows are the best way to allow that process to work in the most efficient manner. The CHAIRMAN. That's very helpful. Now I want to take and try to cross-connect that to another part of your testimony which comes on page 9. At about in the middle of the page, in discussing the forecast of economic activity just ahead of us, you say, "However, available in- dicators of near-term economic performance suggests that the weakest point may have passed." Now I realize every word is Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis chosen and there are nuances built on nuances to try to create a statement that is as precisely ambiguous as it can be and still sort of convey what you want to convey. If interest rates rise abroad because of external events—Eastern Europe being one of them, but also internal factors in Japan that have driven up their rates, what may be going on in Germany obvi- ously connected to Eastern Europe more directly driving up rates there, and internal inflationary pressures and other things going on in those countries—and there was an effect on us, partly be- cause we are so now reliant on all this foreign borrowing, that pulled our rate level up as well, it may be that, in macroeconomic terms, rates in our own society could become higher than we would like because we're trying to engineer a soft landing or some in- crease in real growth in this country. It seems to me that we could find ourselves in a situation, and we may very well be in a situa- tion where international events pull interest rates up at a time when we don't want rates any higher here because of the impact on housing, car sales, and lots of other things that are interest rate sensitive. It strikes me that we could find ourselves in a situation where external events, because of our reliance on this foreign borrowing, can pull our interest rate structure up at a time that's very inop- portune. No matter how masterfully someone tries to engineer monetary policy—you or someone else—you may not be able to get your interest rate patterns in your own national economy where you want them in the right time sequence because you are now part of this world economic system. I think I'm seeing more of these jolts hitting us, and I'm increas- ingly concerned about it. It doesn't take away anything from your ability to try to navigate this because I think the job is in the best possible hands, but I think the job can become unworkable at some point with these factors now upon us. I'd like you to react to that. Mr. GREENSPAN. First, let me say that the type of issue that you are raising doesn't necessarily relate to whether we are in surplus or deficit because if in the world context we all of a sudden, as we have done in Eastern Europe, create a significant increase in real investment opportunities, profitable opportunities, while the global supply of savings remains unchanged, then real interest rates have to rise, and they will rise all over the world, and they will rise whether or not you are a surplus country or you are a deficit coun- try. It's got to do basically with the process. The issue of our sav- ings problems is a somewhat different issue and separate from this. But the key question here is whether or not we get to a state where all of a sudden the prospective demand is so huge that inter- est rates begin to rise extraordinarily. The CHAIRMAN. You do though, express concern in your own statement about the buildup of these debt levels. Mr. GREENSPAN. That's correct. The CHAIRMAN. So you've also got the problem of servicing all of this debt perhaps at a higher interest rate, which then can run into structural problems in the United States, which is a new kind of danger for us. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Mr. GREENSPAN. I don't deny that those dangers do exist. In fact, it's part of the issue of the greater complexity of monetary policy in this type of globalized financial world. The Eastern Europe issue is a special case of that because it's a discontinuity. It's not some- thing which has happened smoothly and which the markets could adjust to gradually. It happened in an extraordinary short time and, leaving the economics aside, it's such a magnificent thing to happen to the world—I mean we can scarcely argue that this is a problem. But the reason I am not concerned at this stage in the terms in which you spell out the problem is that, first, I think that there is a very general knowledge of the size of the potential investment and I would suspect that most of the information about that is al- ready in the markets and, hence, unless something fundamentally new occurs to create a major new investment opportunity—and I can't see where that's coming from—I'm not as concerned as you are that interest rates will just continue up. Also, remember that if interest rates start up, that in turn will lower the desire to make a lot of those investments, and very small changes in rates are probably enough in this context to essentially stretch out prospects for a significant investment in Eastern Europe. In that sense we are looking at one of the great advantages of having open markets, free capital flows, and the ability of goods, services, and capital and finance to move in the manner in which they are moving. The adjustments are happening in a way which I think significantly delimits the types of risks which you raise, Mr. Chairman. Having said that, I'm not saying that I am unconcerned about this process. Obviously, the very difficulties that one sees out there impact upon the way we at the Federal Reserve do our job so we have to be very sensitive to what's going on and we audit it in a very detailed way. I find myself being far more interested in what's going on on a 24-hour basis than I would ordinarily because this is a particularly crucial period. But I cannot say that I am concerned in the sense you are be- cause I think most of this knowledge, most of these expectations, most of the underlying changes that are about to happen have al- ready affected markets. And to the extent that is the case, I don't think we can realistically argue that interest rates in the world markets in real terms are going to go up, go down, or stay un- changed. The CHAIRMAN. Let's get the budget chairman into this. Senator Sasser. Senator SASSER. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Greenspan, I apologize for missing your opening state- ment today. We had hearings before the Budget Committee, but I will read your statement with great interest as I always do. Mr. GREENSPAN. Thank you. Senator SASSER. I am pleased to see you and I came to ask this question. I note that you and several of the Federal Reserve Bank presi- dents have endorsed the resolution of Congressman Neal that Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 90 would require the Federal Reserve to bring inflation down to zero within a space of 5 years. Now I'm wondering if you have fully considered all the conse- quences of this initiative. I have seen a study done by the Congres- sional Research Service using Data Resources econometric model which show that the economic effects of a 5-year transition to zero inflation would be ready catastrophic. It's theoretically possible to get to zero inflation by 1995 but when you look and see what happens along the way it's not a very appealing path to follow. According to Data Resources, interest rates would hit 16.9 percent in 1992, 15.8 percent in 1993, the budget deficit would be $663 billion in 1993, increasing to $691 bil- lion in 1996. The unemployment rate in 1993 would be 11,9 per- cent, 10.7 percent in 1994. We haven't seen unemployment rates like that since what some would call the Volker recession of 1982. In addition, we would have 4 straight years of negative real GNP growth and of course we've still got the thrift industry hanging out there and we've seen what happens to them when interest rates get up in the 14, 15, 16 percent range. Now I am confident, Mr. Chairman, that you can give me 100 dif- ferent reasons why Data Resources is wrong, but I just want to stress today that I see a great danger in an all-out single-minded attack on inflation. I think that we've got to be concerned about the underlying econ- omy, about employment, about economic growth, and I wouldn't want you to leave here today thinking that this resolution that's been introduced over in the other body has a groundswell of sup- port here in the Congress because this is one Senator who does not support it at all. In fact, I think it would be cataclysmic if it came to pass. Now I've had my turn. What do you say about DRI's projections? Mr. GREENSPAN. Let me first raise two issues, Senator. First, the Neal resolution does not require zero inflation. In fact, in its origi- nal version it did and it required a very specific one percentage de- cline per year in the CPI. I told the Chairman over there that that was not a desirable way to come at that. The legislation that I would be supportive of stipulates that the economy is to be brought down to a noninflationary level and that we define stable prices as that rate of inflation which is sufficiently de mininis that it does not enter into the business decisions of people. In other words, for example, if the inflation rate were 1.5 percent or maybe even somewhat higher, our historical experience suggests to us that that is, in fact, the equivalent of zero in that it has all the benefits of zero inflation since it does not create distor- tions, which is one of the major reasons why we are in favor of stable prices. Second, we obviously have done very much the same sort of anal- ysis of what a decline in the inflation rate would do with respect to employment/unemployment, and all I can say to you is that we do not come out anywhere near where the DRI model comes out. Let me suggest to you one of the problems that using a straight, untended econometric model—and that is essentially what is being done in these examples—if you take any of these models, ours in- cluded which contain elaborate, very complex sets of equations Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 91 which try to capture the nature of the relationships within the American economy, and you allow them to run out a forecast un- tended by human judgment, meaning in an econometrician's terms you add factor the various equations and adjust them, you get silly forecasts. The results are ridiculous. In fact, if you allow the models to run over the years, they do less well in my judgment than almost trying to make a sort of non-econometric type judg- ment. The same relationships which are causing that problem in the forecast are the relationships that are used to simulate these types of events. So we have the same problems as we do in forecasting in simulating how the American economy would behave if, for exam- ple, we endeavored to get the inflation rate down very gradually. We are obviously acutely aware of the difference between econo- metric simulations, forecasts and behavior in the real world. And while it is the view of myself and my colleagues that there are very great values to the American economy in getting the inflation rate down—and in my prepared remarks I discuss some of them—we are obviously aware of the structural dangers to the whole policy if in the process we create inadvertently a major economic downturn. As I say in my remarks, our basic purpose is to bring the inflation rate down without a recession and that is our basic view and I think that we do not have a mechanical step-by-step program out there because we don't believe that one is feasible, but we are biased towards bringing the inflation rate down in a context which does not upset the economy. Senator SASSER. Well, I just want to make it clear, Mr. Chair- man, for the record that I don't think we can sacrifice everything along the way in our fight against inflation. I had a great number of running discussions with your predecessor over a period of years about his attacks on inflation and made the point to him that we didn't have any inflation in 1933 and 1934 as I recall, but nobody had any money and nobody had any jobs. We had disinflation at that time and frankly I think we are still paying the price for some of the policies of the early 1980's and late 1970's in monetary policy. We are still paying it here in this com- mittee with the problem with the savings and loans. One of the prices we paid for shaking inflation out of this economy or bringing inflation under control was what occurred in the thrift industry and it's going to cost the taxpayers of this country somewhere in the neighborhood—who knows—of $150 to $200 billion over a period of years to resolve the problems of this industry. Of course that pales to insignificance when we realize what hap- pened to GNP during that period and how much real economic gain was lost. Perhaps we had to pay it to wring inflation out of the economy. But there are some around here—and I guess I in- clude myself in that category—who are willing to absorb a modest amount of inflation to keep this economy healthy and moving and growing. I suppose I almost find myself in agreement with the Sec- retary of HUD, Mr. Kemp, in this one regard to some extent—not on all matters economic I must say, but to some extent in this one regard. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. GREENSPAN. May I just comment for just one second? Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 92 The CHAIRMAN. Please. Mr. GREENSPAN. We've had 7 years of prosperity, a growing econ- omy, which I don't believe we could have had if we had allowed the inflationary imbalances to occur and I think the policies of my predecessor, as difficult as they were at the time—and I remember the extraordinary turmoil that was created at that time—in retro- spect, I think were necessary. I think we're fortunate in that it di- verted an economy where inflation looked as though it were not only high but accelerating. I think the fact that the argument we have today is whether or not a 4 or 4.5 inflation rate should be brought down is an argument I don't think we would have the luxury of having were not the actions taken in monetary policy in the early 1980's. I am willing to stipulate all of the problems that you argue in favor of, Senator, but I do think if one balances bene- fits against costs, the advantages in retrospect of those policies I think were extraordinarily helpful to this country. The CHAIRMAN. I want to pursue this just a little bit longer. We don't get a chance to have a serious discussion this way when we're working with the 5-minute question periods. They interrupt any kind of follow-through on some of these issues that are raised. I want to come back one more time to what we were chatting about a little earlier, and it relates to what Senator Sasser has just been saying as well. I gave you a series of data earlier on the amount of U.S. debt instruments that are outstanding and held by foreigners. Mr. GREENSPAN. Those are Federal debt. The CHAIRMAN. Yes, just Federal debt. And I gave the dollar fig- ures and how it had doubled over a 6-year period. It has also gone up in percentage terms and I want to say that for the financial press here as well. It's gone up from roughly 15 percent of the total in December of 1984 to about 20 percent of the total in September 1989. The trendline would imply that we will be requiring foreign- ers to take on a larger percentage as well as a larger number of dollars of debt holding simply because we can't finance it ourselves. We can't restrain ourselves, so they have come forward to pick it up, at some rate of interest. The world has changed, and I think you've captured it very well today in terms of the extraordinary dimensions of what has hap- pened with the collapse of communism as an economic and social system, the Berlin wall coming down, and noncommunist heads of states coming to visit us from Poland and Czechoslovakia and other places. Clearly, it is an extraordinarily changed situation. However, the United States, I think, still has some very serious underlying structural economic problems of its own. They now have to be inte- grated and dealt with within this world economic system that has just now been jolted by these new changes. If you take our persistent fiscal deficits, our persistent trade defi- cits, our persistently low savings rate, the fact that the Japanese last year invested in their private sector five times the amount of equity capital that we did here in America in companies, the fact that we have been replacing equity with debt in the United States with leveraged buyouts and junk bonds and other instruments which you yourself expressed a concern about a little bit earlier, you can see a lot of things that are fundamental imbalances and Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 93 trendlines that are not helpful to us over a period of time and that we are having a very difficult time changing very much. And we've invented terms of debate and devices I think to sidestep a lot of these questions and roll them forward and not deal with them. My concern is this. There is still the view in the country, I think, that somehow monetary policy is the last resort way in which we can work things out in an orderly way, that if the Fed is just com- petent and up to the task, they can somehow pull the levers this way or that way and reconcile everything and keep us going with this 7-year expansion, avoiding the pitfalls of inflation on the one hand or high unemployment on the other hand, or of interest rates going through the roof. I must tell you that I think we are putting ourselves in an eco- nomic trap. I think the time is coming and it may be here now where interest rates other places, because of macroeconomic factors in Japan, in Europe, in West Germany, or in other places may now impinge in new ways on our ability to continue to draw savings out of the international savings pool to deal with a lot of our problems and excesses. Rates have started to go up. You say you can't necessarily ex- trapolate that they will go higher. They may stay the same; who knows where they will go. But I know what I'm hearing from busi- ness leaders who come to see me—you see a lot of them as well. There's a growing concern about the economy, about the effect of these things on interest rates, and on the ability to have a strong growth going forward. I'm hearing it more frequently. Maybe they are all wrong, but they are expressing that concern. When you say on page 9, "available indicators of near-term eco- nomic performance suggest that the weakest point may have passed," given the fact that it's a hedged statement, what can we really hang our hats on there to sustain that notion? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, Senator, let me say first that when you go back in the American economy to the summer of 1989 and you look forward, what you see is a continuous erosion of economic growth. In a sense it's almost like a tire with a slow leak in it. You can actually see the system going down, and down, and down and final- ly for the first time in the last number of weeks we are beginning to see that that deterioration has stopped. Now I'm not saying that it won't proceed again and obviously it can. What I'm saying is that when you look at the various balance of forces going on and you look at the pattern of inventories and the like, what you get is a clear indication that something is in the process of changing. Now I say that the probability that we are passing this weak point is somewhat better than 50-50. It is not certainty. I regret too often that when we say that something is likely to occur, the word gets changed to "will" and there is a very big difference. If you look at the blue chip forecasts of American economy, the 50 or so odd people, only one of them has got the economy going down in 1990. Now I'd like to believe that that's true. I am not sure it's ba- sically true. It is the most probable forecast. But the mere fact that, say, 49 out of 50 say it's true doesn't make it so. What we are looking at is a very complex set of forces, but there is no question that there has been a subtle change going on and the Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 94 change does not mean that we're about to take off again. It used to be in periods of recession where we'd have major inventory liquida- tion you could pretty well forecast the spike going up the other di- rection. We are looking at something quite different at this particu- lar stage, but the quality of the data that we are looking at has changed. How significant that is and how far one projects that into the future depends on one's view of the way the structure is develop- ing. I am, as I indicated in my prepared remarks, concerned about declining profit margins. I am concerned about the strains in the balance sheet. These are potential negatives and they could turn us down again. I think the odds of that happening are less than 50-50. In other words, I didn't believe that 6 months ago. Six months ago I thought it was touch and go very honestly and I think that what has changed in my view is that the time frame when the most likely cumulative effect of the recession was to occur was probably in the fall, if you look at history the way things develop. The fact that we've come through that and now look as though there is some at least stability in that the leak at least has stopped, gives me some hope that this process may be developing. If we get an unexpected shock from somewhere that could tilt us in another direction. And I think it is important to draw the dis- tinction, as indeed I think all of the forecasting economists who we look at do, the vast majority think that we're undergoing sort of modest, relatively slow growth through the rest of the year, which is another way of saying that they believe it's better than 50-50 that that's what's going to happen. When you examine them in great detail about their degree of certainty, there are going to be very few who are going to say that and I think correctly so. I mean this is a very unusual type of period. But I think that while there are a number of difficulties and problems out there, I'd say the out- look in the context of what we've been going through in the last 9 months is better now than it was 3 or 4 months ago. The CHAIRMAN. Well, I appreciate the time and the effort that you make to try to make that clear, and I know it's not easy to do. Let me ask you this question. If external events were to have the effect of pulling interest rates up, I'm talking about worldwide in- terest rates, in a way that were to pull our country's rates up an- other percentage point so that instead of being somewhere between 8 and 8.5 or 8.6 percent from short-term borrowing out to 30-year borrowing, we saw events over a period of weeks or 3 or 4 months yank rates up, say, generally a fully percentage point to the 9 per- cent range, would that kind of a change create a difficulty in terms of how our economy might function at that point? Do we have enough slack that if we got pushed up into a higher interest rate environment, we could digest that rather reasonably, or are we at the point where something that would be in that magnitude would really start to change the expectations? Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, I think that were we to get that—and in my view I frankly suspect we will not—it probably would be reflec- tive of the fact that actual capital investment in Europe was now really moving forward, which probably would mean that our ex- ports would begin to start to move. It s difficult to know whether the clear negative effects from high interest rates here would be Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 95 more or less than the positive effect on aggregate demand which would come as a consequence of much stronger export market than we even have today. I don't think one can or should look at an economy in terms of what would happen if one variable would change. It almost never happens that way. There's usually a complex of forces. I would say in the realm of forecasting there's certainly enough slack in any- body's relationships to absorb a lot of changes without fundamen- tally changing one's outlook, but I do think that we are looking at something which we have to be careful we don't misread, and it's fortunate that we've got the resources that we have got at the Fed- eral Reserve to look at this in great detail and have access to a great deal of material. It's times like this when I think one really appreciates the ability of the research operation that the system has in the regional banks as well as at the Board itself because we do have the resources to look at this in a way which is important. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just conclude with this thought. The busi- ness people I have been talking to say if interest rates pull up an- other notch, that could start the slow leak again in the economy. I'm getting from most business people that I talk to a belief that any appreciably higher level of interest rates would start to cut against the economy and would start to put us back in a more vul- nerable position. That doesn't mean they are right, but that's what I'm hearing a lot of. I'd like to make a suggestion to you and I don't know what you have in the way of machinery at the Fed. We can talk about this after today as well. We are all so busy doing day-to-day work. You talked about having to look at things now 24 hours a day because of the importance and the immediacy of things, and that's true here as well. I think it would be good if somebody in the Fed could be given the task to take a 60- or a 90-day period of time and detach enough from the day-to-day work that has to be done to really think through the question of how the world has changed. I don't mean just Eastern Europe. I'm talking about all of these trends in sav- ings rates, exchange rates, trade balances, fiscal deficits, and the new requirements for capital in Eastern Europe. What are the un- derlying adjustments that the United States needs to make for itself? I think it would be very healthy at some point if the Federal Re- serve, quite apart from its monetary responsibility, day in and day out, could, as a separate study or analysis, say as best it could: "The world has changed in these ways, and these are some of the key trendlines and the combination of trendlines that are creating a more complicated situation. They limit our latitude in the future—not just the Fed's latitude, but the country's latitude." We need to understand the nature of how all of these changes are working and try to think them through and get some kind of a more serious national discussion going on the economic and finan- cial adjustments that must be made here before you wake up some day and find that your hands are tied and that you don't have the operating latitude that you'd like to have at the Fed or that we in Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 96 the Congress, or for that matter that even the President, would like. I think there is a need for a comprehensive assessment of this changed economic and financial situation—done at arm's length, competently, dispassionately—that tries to lay this out in a way that doesn't just come back to saying we have to knock interest rates up or down in the next 10 minutes because of the impact of these things and because of the way the markets work. I don't know if you can do something like that, if something like that is being done. I would like to suggest that something like that be done. Mr. GREENSPAN. Well, Mr. Chairman, I hope we do that as an ongoing process because I don't see how we can in fact do our job unless we have at least tentative answers to the questions that you have raised. But what I will do is I will go back and I will sit with my col- leagues and see whether or not there is the capability in a useful manner of doing a certain specific type of study and we will be back with you to let you know whether we think that it's feasible or desirable or what form you might think the resolution of that problem which you, I think very appropriately raised—what from that might take. The CHAIRMAN. I appreciate that. I've got other questions I am going to submit for the record, some from Senator Kerry, some from myself. You've been very patient and I appreciate very much your testimony. Mr. GREENSPAN. Thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. The committee stands in recess. [Whereupon, at 12:50 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.] [Response to written questions follows:] Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 97 BOARD DF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM WASHINGTON, 0. April 17, 1990 ALAN GEJEENSPAN The Honorable Donald W. Riegle, Jr. Chairman Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs United States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510 Dear Senator: I am enclosing responses to your questions following my testimony on the Federal Reserve's Monetary Policy Report at the Committee's hearing on February 22, 1990. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. incereiy. Enclosures Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 98 Chairman Greenspan subsequently submitted the following in response to written questions from Chairman Donald W. Riegle, Jr., in connection with the hearing held on February 22, 1990. Q. i, The Economic Report of the President indicates a probable inconsistency between your money growth targets and the Administration's GNP forecast. in the past, when we have discussed such differences, you have emphasized that they have different budget deficit assumptions. Is that the case this year, and, if so, what are your budget estimates? A. 1. There is no common budget assumption embedded in the FOMC forecasts included in the Board's monetary policy report. Because those forecasts related to the current calendar year, only a small portion of which runs beyond fiscal 1990, I think it is safe to say that the FOMC members have taken the exist- ing budget largely as given. Perhaps the most important questions would be how the budget process for FY 1991 will unfold in the coming months, and in particular, whether one can foresee an agreement on a multi-year deficit-reduction program that could affect in a significant and positive way the pre- vailing expectations in financial markets. It is my sense that my colleagues have not built such a development into their thinking—though we'd cer- tainly all welcome it. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 99 Q. 2. Last year's economic growth rate was only 2.4 percent, despite a major boost in farm output after the 1988 drought. This year you project growth of less than 2 percent. In your testimony, you said that to reduce inflation we need slow growth until we develop some "slack" in the economy. Can you give us a rough estimate of what that might mean in terms of unemployment rates? A. 2. As I've indicated on a number of occasions, I don't think conventional econometric estimates give reli- able guidance on the short-run relation between unemployment and inflation. The particular cir- cumstances, and how expectations change as anti- inflationary policies are implemented, would be important in determining this "trade-off." The central tendency of the FOHC forecasts suggests that most members are of the view that some prog- ress toward lower CPI inflation can be achieved this year without a sizable rise in the unemploy- ment rate. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 100 Q. 3. In the junk bond market, we have been witnessing a long degeneration of prices and market conditions, as a number of large mergers and LBO's have fal- tered. Some institutions have failed already as a result. How much future damage do you foresee? What are the implications for banks with large port- folios of LBO loans? What are the implications of Drexel's bankruptcy for "too big to fail" policies? A. 3. As I stressed in my testimony, the increase in debt leverage could have significant adverse implications for the long-run viability of the expansion, and serve to intensify adjustment problems should the economy fall into recession. However, in the pre- sent circumstances, it appears unlikely that the increased leverage within the economy would itself precipitate a downturn in the economy. With regard to those banks with large portfolios of LBO loans, we remain concerned about the quality of those credits and the extent to which recession- ary factors may undermine original underwriting standards and projections. Certainly any trans- action characterized by high debt levels and a low equity cushion weakens the borrower's ability to withstand financial adversity, increasing the level of risk in bank portfolios. As of December 31, 1989, the 50 largest bank holding companies had total Highly Leveraged Transactions (HLT's) of $125.5 billion, a 50 percent increase from the level reported at the end of 1988. While HLT nonaccruals as a percent of total HLT's were less than half the rate reported by the top 50 companies for nonperforming assets overall at year-end, that figure is on the rise. We are currently conducting specialized examinations in certain institutions with relatively high concen- trations of HLT's to determine if significant deterioration is taking place. It is important to note however, that the prepon- derance of HLT outstandings is comprised of secured, senior debt. In essence, these transactions repre- sent asset backed financings. As in any financing secured by real property, there are risks that cash flows generated by the assets will decline or not meet original expectations, hence the values of the underlying assets may suffer a significant loss of market value. Nevertheless, secured bank creditors would not be subjected to the much larger risks associated with unsecured high yield and equity types of financing. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 101 The implications of Drexel's bankruptcy are most profound with regard to the loss of liquidity in the secondary market for high yield issues. The loss of liquidity will directly affect the ability of highly leveraged companies to refinance their own obliga- tions, and may indirectly affect their ability to sell assets to meet debt servicing obligations, as potential buyers in the past have often relied upon the high yield market to finance such deals. Certainly to the extent original debt servicing agreements relied upon the availability of such financing, all participants, including senior debt holders, will experience problems. With respect to "too big to fail" policies, the Federal Reserve has not been comfortable with the notion that the Government should insulate certain very large institutions from the consequences of bad banking practices and from failure simply because of the size of these institutions. Never- theless, each resolution is reviewed both in the context of systemic risk and the overall cost to the government. Any revisions necessary to current regulatory policies regarding the handling of bank failures or the administration of the deposit insur- ance fund should properly await the findings of the study on deposit insurance reform required under the Financial Institution Reform, Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 102 Q. 4. How does the recent Drexel experience affect your views on the need for the risk assessment provisions of the Market Reform bill (S. 648) that would give the SEC authority to obtain information on finances of holding companies and affiliates of securities firms? A. 4. The experience with Drexel illustrated the possi- bility that problems in one area of a firm could spill over into other areas, some of which may have been fundamentally sound. The government securities affiliate, for example, seems to have been ade- quately capitalized, but it found counterparties pulling away when questions were raised about the health of the parent and other affiliates. As a consequence, the viability of a regulated entity was affected by developments in nonregulated parts of the firm. This experience raises issues about the possible need for an overview of the entire company, both regulated and nonregulated entities. In my personal view, collecting information about all the different parts of the company might be helpful. The regu- latory focus on the broker-dealer and government securities entities remains appropriate, but wider information about other areas of the firm might aid in anticipating problems that could adversely affect the regulated entities, enabling steps to be con- sidered to protect their safety and soundness. To ensure that the SEC is provided with the type of information that it needs, and that at the same time the concerns regarding the collection, maintenance and confidentiality of information are met and to avoid duplication of information already collected by the banking agencies, the Federal banking agen- cies and the SEC should consult on the appropriate approach to collecting the information. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 103 Q. 5. Do you think the Administration's family savings plan would increase private savings enough to offset its negative effects on future government savings caused by loss of tax revenue, so that its long-run effect on total savings would be positive? A. 5. I don't have the basis for offering a strong view on this matter. Recent research on the IRA experience has been more encouraging than earlier work with respect to the question of whether IRAs have resulted in a net increase in household saving; the research has not eliminated all uncertainties, however, and the family savings plan possesses enough features that differ from those of IRAs that one would have to take a very careful look to judge the implications of the IRA experience. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 104 Q. 6. In your testimony, you said that thrift assets would likely decline this year. How long do you think that will continue, and how do you see the industry evolving over the next few years? A. 6. The decline in thrift assets will more than likely continue in the near term given the significant num- ber of insolvent thrifts and thrifts experiencing financial difficulties. Furthermore, the higher capital standards and limitations on amounts and types of investments created under the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989 (FIRREA) will reguire continued divestiture of industry assets. Thrift assets declined nearly $100 billion, or 7 percent, in 1989, precipitated by liquidity pres- sures in certain larger, problem institutions requiring asset sales, and asset shrinkage among the industry generally to meet tougher capital standards imposed by FIRREA, Of the §100 billion decline in assets, $80 billion occurred in the last 6 months of the year reflecting both the reshaping of the industry towards higher capital to asset levels and liquidation of conservatorship assets. Also during the last quarter, resolutions of insol- vent thrifts transferred $7 billion of thrift assets out of the industry, primarily to commercial banks. Currently, excluding conservatorships, there are 177 unprofitable thrifts with assets of $124 billion, and 64 profitable thrifts with assets of $51 billion which have 1 percent or less tangible net worth as a percentage of assets. PIRREA estab- lishes a 1.5 percent minimum tangible capital requirement. Undoubtedly, considerable shrinkage of assets and ultimately, liquidation of certain of these institutions, will be required. A more certain fact is that the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC), as of March 31, 1990, controlled 350 institutions under conservatorship programs with total assets of $163 billion. The majority of these assets will likely be passed to non-thrift acquirers through the resolution process. While the pace of future resolutions is likely to accelerate, the current timetable is unknown. Over the next several years, our view is that the intense competition within the financial services industry to provide mortgage credit will continue, and that consolidation within the thrift industry will be dictated by the need to improve operating Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 105 efficiencies. As I discussed briefly in the testimony, the downsizing of the thrift industry which has already taken place did not affect the overall cost and availability of mortgage credit, as other suppliers of this credit stand ready to absorb an increasing share of the market. Thrifts that survive this restructuring, will have to be well managed, strongly capitalized, and profitable. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 106 Q. 7. In a recent speech which he delivered in Tokyo, Gerald Corrigan, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, commented on the rapidly growing ing share of America's banking market controlled by foreign institutions. After noting that 25 percent of the banking assets booked in the U.S. are con- trolled by foreign banks, with Japanese banks having 14 of the 25 percent, he asked: "Is there a point where the extent of foreign banking presence in U.S. markets could give rise to public policy concerns about such presence?" He then answered his own question: "In my judgment, the candid answer to that question is yes: such concerns could arise, particularly in the context of any pattern of future behavior which might be viewed by some as an aggressive strategy of expansion through acquisition." Do you share Mr. Corrigan's views on this issue? Please explain why or why not. The Federal Reserve for many years has strongly supported the policy of national treatment with respect to access of foreign banking and financial institutions to the U.S. market. I support that policy and believe it is in the best interest of U.S. consumers of banking and other financial services. The policy of national treatment con- tributes to a strong, competitive market in the United States. It is also the policy of the United States to encourage other countries to adopt policies of national treatment for foreign banks and financial institutions; I support that policy and believe it has been effective over the past 15 years in helping to open up foreign financial markets to U.S. investors. In my view, the broad thrust of President Corrigan's speech in Japan is fully consistent with this line of thinking and policy. The major reason for potential concern about the share of any investor in the United States arises from the possibility that such investments might lead to an excessive concentration of economic power in the hands of one foreign investor. In the case of the banking industry, current Federal and State laws provide an adequate basis for guarding against the development of such concentrations and for dealing with their consequences if they should Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 107 - 10 - develop. Therefore, although by various measures the share of Japanese and other foreign banking institutions in the U.S. banking market has risen somewhat in recent years, I see little economic significance in these trends. I am concerned that this issue could become a matter of political concern. In particular, I am concerned that it could lead U.S. authorities to adopt protec- tionist measures in this area. such measures would not be in the long-term economic interests of the United States because it would tend to provoke retaliation against U.S. investments abroad. They could also have an immediate adverse impact on the U.S. economy by putting upward pressure on interest rates at a time when the U.S. economy is heavily dependent upon a net inflow of saving from abroad to help finance needed investment in the United States. I would, of course, prefer that the profits from such investment whether in the banking or other industries accrue primarily to U.S. citizens rather than to foreign investors; however, under present circumstances, that is a luxury we cannot afford. I know that President Corrigan shares my views on these matters. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 108 Chairman Greenspan subsequently submitted the following in response to written questions from senator John Kerry, in connection with the hearing held on February 22, 1990. Q. 1. To what extent, if at all, do examinations of the Fedwire system conducted during Federal Reserve Board's annual examinations of Federal Reserve branch banks and the periodic financial reviews of specific Fed bank functions, attempt to assess the vulnerability of Fedwire to money laundering schemes? As a primary mechanism which depositary institutions used to process 60 million transfers, totalling $183 trillion, in 1989, we recognize that Fedwire can be used as a contributing vehicle to money laun- dering schemes. Because Fedwire serves only as an intermediary between senders and receivers of the payments, however, it provides no mechanism to detect any such schemes. The detection of money laundering within a universe of normal payment activity requires the ability to identify some transactions as suspicious. Such suspicions arise out of the ability to differentiate unusual from normal patterns of behavior, given the nature of a customer's history and business. Although currency transactions are essentially two-party transactions, wire transfers generally involve four or more parties, including the cus- tomers of the sending and receiving institutions. As Fedwire serves only as the intermediary between the financial institutions, it provides no means to assess the business practices of the institutions' customers and differentiate between normal and potentially suspicious activity. The Federal Reserve routinely cooperates with law enforcement agencies by researching specific transactions and supplying related information in response to appropriate requests related to specific investigations that originate from other sources. But Fedwire, itself, does not provide data conclu- sive to the origination of such investigations. Because of these factors, Federal Reserve Examiners reviews of Fedwire are limited to assessments of the integrity of the electronic data and automated pro- cess and the reliability of the systems of internal controls. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 109 Q. 2. To what extent, if at all, do the joint Federal Reserve, office of the Comptroller of the Currency, FDIC audits of CHIPS (the Clearinghouse of Inter- national Payments (conducted every 18 months) attempt to assess the system's vulnerability to money laundering schemes? A. 2. The joint examination of CHIPS by the three federal banking supervisors is intended to address safety and soundness, reliability, and data security issues. The examination reflects the same types of concerns the supervisors address in performing examinations of bank electronic data processing operations. CHIPS does not, however, provide "retail" payment services and does not process pay- ment orders on behalf of end users; in the language of the new section 4A to the Uniform Commercial Code, CHIPS is not an originating bank, an inter- mediary bank, or a receiving bank. Rather, CHIPS plays a role similar to a utility that transfers payment orders between parties without maintaining accounting relationships. Consequently, the federal banking supervisors' examination of CHIPS does not focus on money laundering. Banks provide funds transfer origination and receipt services to and maintain accounts for customers. The focus on money laundering remains with Bank Secrecy Act compliance examinations of banks. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis no Q. 3, I read with interest yesterday in the Washington Post of a report by the General Accounting Office on security for the wire transfer systems, including FEDWIRE. What is the Federal Reserve doing to improve its security systems and to insure that computer hackers don't abuse the system? Attached is the Board's November 9, 1989, letter to the GAO commenting on the GAO's draft report on Fedwire security, as well as the February 21, 1990, testimony given by Governor Wayne D. Angell to the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and Finance of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. The letter and statement indicate that the Fedwire sys- tem has a sound security architecture that is sub- ject to a rigorous program of review and audit by independent Reserve Bank and Board operations review and audit groups. They also reflect the Board's commitment to maintaining the highest possible degree of security on Fedwire. The Federal Reserve has taken immediate steps to respond to the opportunities for improvement in the implementation of the Fedwire security architecture. Almost all of the findings have been corrected and work is in progress to address fully the remaining five improvements by June 1990. In addition, increased emphasis has been placed on security in the Federal Reserve's Fedwire operations review, examination, and audit procedures. The Federal Reserve's overall data security architecture is, among other things, designed to protect against abuse by those not authorized to have access to it. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Ill Comments From the Federal Reserve System HavemOet 9, J.9B9 Mr. Ralph v. carione united states General Accounting Qtfi.ce Washington D.C. 20548 the General Accounting Office (CAO) titled Blnctr-B^ Tians^ari- gyaa-fliqltf—gf ^ri^ic^} Bftnktpg SvatamB Snpulfl Be The Board's response to tna portioni at th« Gt.O'» irctiit.ctura. Second, »e discuss tha GAO's (pacific finding* at the four Beaarve BanKa vlaited. TBlrd, vt addTMi tB» OM'a recommandation ttist Chi ?ad«tsl Rtairve contract to obtain external review 0f Fadwire evcurity. Finally, we Bddraaa tha GAO'a concern csgarding th« lac* of encryption an tha "backbone" communication" network linking Che Raaerve Banks and The Fedaral R«**rv« i» itrongly oomitced to in place B conprahenalva program dealgned to Identify *ecurlty requiranenta, davalop and irapl«m*nt tichnlcil tolotion* to tticBB requlreventa, and, finally, to monitor the ongoing ef(ectlv«n«BB of Mcurlty admini»tration. w* b«li»v» the ••curi^y arcnltactur* for Fedwira i* fundanantally aognd, and Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 112 Appendix ID Comments From the Federal Rtwrve 8y«i the aafagngrds surrounding Fvdblre* The Federal Recarvva raceptlvenaBS to infornation and guidance Iron vaiioua courcaa that um welcome thi OAO'e «u9g««tion« foe improvement to Fedwire B«curity. ov*cvl<H of tbt reditiii o»t» a»curity xranlteature The F«d»tal Reierve Syetin hae Inplinentad a Incorporatu a wide r*ng» of lifeguard*, including pfiy«iesl apply to aoftwari implementation, computer operntloni, nitvork connunicatione, and contingency. The ayeten eetabllihee and Fedwire IB provided belou. Each Reserve Bank has a ccmplafc* audit trail lor attempted information IB aharad aarong Fedtr&l Ruerve BanKa. Tha Fadwl between Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 113 nta Ftum the Fedenl Reoervt &7Bttm pach Reserve Bank maintains separate proceeding place to ensure tnat only tested and approved application for local backup of key computing aivi comrrunications Reserve Banks maintain several renot* sites and teat comprehensive contingency plma at l«aot sami-annually. Theaa data backup procedures to frn^^re tnat databases can be halt houta ana resuBBd procassing to n««t critical nighttime deadlines, and wag open and raady Cot Fnd.wi.rti buAineaa KB usual the Reserve Bank's remote processing Bi.t« 4Bk prepared to serve resunie in San Francisco, A eat lection of Cha •rf*ctiv«(]««* ot regular rsllaBlLity ot tt» Yedwlre application" and tha "baekbon*" comBLunication* network connecting the Reserve ft&nka, cnllAd FECS-BO. fcvtilabillty of FAdwlca applicatlona during ttie FRCS-SO netuorx has aaintaiiwd availability In excaa* of '99.99 percent. Planning IB also underway for the aucce^aof network. t',M> IMTEIV9IM4 Slrenglhen OvcraJKliI tif Critical Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 114 Appendix IH Comments Fitun tlK Federal Reserve Syit« network; operator*. Baaed on analysis at both th« cisX consolidate compuCBC- and netvorlt operations, tha Board believes exist at any othar Reserve Banks. K such wealtnasses are found steering Group, comprised of Reserve Bank and Haara staff, Me The individual Baaacve Bands' internal audit staffs KAO/IMTEC-BO-U Strength™ Overslghl nf Crilical Banking S Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 115 Appendix ID ConunenU From Che Federal I, critical component at th« Federal Reserve's security progran if review and oversight by trts Board of general oversight of Rassrve Bank activities. To discharge this nipomibility, Ch* Bo*td t»« •»tabli»h«(i a highly The Board's statf if institutionally indepandant of the Reaarva Reserve Bnaka, auch ne th« FBdvire funds ttanafer and book-entfy securitlvG transfer operations, A!EO assess the tne annual financial eKanlnation pcoettKK »t in identifying additional secucity enhancements. nccordingly, OAO '[MTEC-BO-14 Strengthen Ovfml«hl of Tritical Ban Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 116 Appendix in Comments From tit Fedwml Beserve Sy>' communications syste» (FHCS-SOJ IB in ordet. Implemented in 1982, FRCS-BO la a high-spaed. Beard, contingency Bites, and the U.S. Treasury. FRCS-BO request tor proposal Co encrypt the FRCS-ao backbone network. Federal Reserve Bonks, vhich currently •ni«tB. The Feds 5.9 the Fedwire network. GAD/IMTEGSffl-14 8ti*ngtli«n Ovcrlight of Criclul Binldng SyJKn Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 117 Concluding Becuirks such assistance would be helpful. Tils FRCE-BO ba The Board of Governors generally believes that the nt on the draft sinceceLy yours, - -. ' Barbaca R. tcwr (.AO IMTEC-90-USl™ni4<lvm<Jvfi>iHni "I Crtln-al TtanliiiiB Sv Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 118 ENCLOSURE SYSTEMS SHOULD BE normally assigned \rt connutar operations and systems The Federal Reserve Bank of San Franc 1 sea does not pla do not have th» ability to modify applications program or data. The due is ion to conbine these areas was made security risk i«»oci»tad with combining these two functions and ttmt tt» BanK'a decision is consistent with enlarging industry trind*. However, regarding the raexaDine the alignnent of r«mpon»lbiliti«« batueen access and modit lention to Fedulre dots. DeDory, the Bank h*« rtuitignfA acctft to that tlia function. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 119 Network Management Security _ management weafcnesaea laaye Fedtfire aura vulnerable to aerv^fe fa II urea. Ttin GfcQ notes that 1) the Federal Reserve backup, 2) computer canter staff pvrfoniBd dutle* the network and 3) monitoring of tha network appeared statements. oaptmBnCs Bft v*\\ at ridundant nanory. With r««pect unds tranafar data Mtuean Fadaral Racarv* bank* It odal procafcvora bQcoita Inoperable, tha syteii amiBLjnicatiianH Canter (SCC) maintains back-up eQulpman in the sv.nt at & EsiVai*. Ui* backup nod* Is loadad is conn acted to the back-up node through high spaad are tasted guartarly with aach sits and hav* ba*n usad agccesefiilly in production whan raquirad. The FBCS-ao network has uintainad an availability' In always Been used to Bon it or the FRCS-Bu iwtuacX, and GAO.MTEOW-H Strengthen Overaiglit of Critic*] B«nlilnjSy«' Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 120 Testimony by Wayne D. Angell Member, Board of Governors of the federal Reserve System before the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and Finance of the Committee on Energy and Commerce United States House of Representatives February 21, 1990 Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 121 Mr. Chairman and members of the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and Finance, I am pleased to appear today to discuss with you issues related to the security of large-dollar value electronic funds transfer systems and the influence of technology on the future development of these systems. The security of funds transfer and financial message processing systems is the subject of the General Accounting Office's January 1990, report Electronic Funds Transfer: Oversight of Critical Banking Systems Should Be strengthened. My testimony is divided into three parts and addresses topics identified by the Subcommittee as being of particular interest. First, I will provide an update on progress with respect to implementation of the GAO's recommendations addressing security on Fedwire, the large-dollar funds transfer system operated by the Federal Reserve Banks. Second, I will provide the Board's views on the need for clarification of its authority to oversee other funds transfer and financial message systems, such as CHIPS and S.W.I.F.T. Finally, I will provide a broader perspective on future technology trends as they will influence the international financial marketplace, with particular reference to payments networks. As background to the update on the Federal Reserve's response to the GAO recommendations regarding Fedwire, it may be useful to highlight three distinguishing features of this system. First, the modern technology base that serves as the automation "platform" for Fedwire has evolved from decades of experience in Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 122 - 2 - applying new technology to meet business requirements. The electronic transfer of reserve balances on the books of the Federal Reserve Banks began in 1918, using the telegraph. Today, the Federal Reserve uses state-of-the-art computers and data communications to operate Fedwire and is investing in research and development to ensure that the most current technology is used effectively, with a strong focus on security. Second, Fedwire is truly the nation's funds transfer system. All depository institutions have access to Fedwire and the Reserve Banks currently connect over 11,000 endpoints in all parts of the nation. These endpoints include the smallest to the largest depository institutions. As a truly national payment system, Fedwire must be responsive to a variety of needs presented by depository institutions having diverse characteristics. Third, Fedwire is the chief vehicle for effecting immediate final settlement for U.S. dollar payments, that is, the irrevocable transfer of value on the books of the Federal Reserve Banks, regardless of whether the payment originated domestically, or in London or ToKyo and was sent through a U.S. banking office. In short, when describing the role of Fedwire for settling interbank dollar transactions, it is no exaggeration to say that "the buck stops here." As noted in the Board's November 9, 1989, response to GAO's draft report on oversight of electronic funds transfer systems, the Federal Reserve is strongly committed to providing the most secure electronic payment services possible. Such a commitment is essential in the case of a funds transfer system like Fedwire that handles about 240,000 transfers each day with Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 123 - 3 - an average value per transfer of $3-1 Billion. We believe that it is important to begin any discussion of Fedwire security, as did the GAO, with the statement that there have not been any reported incidents (I can say with assurance no incidents) of fraudulent transfers by the employees who operate the system. Moreover, in the case of Fedwire, the sane holds true for so-called interloper fraud. The Federal Reserve's commitment to security begins with a sound Fedwire security "architecture,11 or unified structure of security safeguards and features which, in combination, define an organization's approach to security. The Federal Reserve security architecture incorporates a wide range of safeguards, which total over 100. These safeguards are, by the way, the result of our work with an outside consultant. To put the GAO recommendations in the proper perspective, it is important to understand the Federal Reserve's overall security architecture. I would now like to take a few moments to describe the safeguards and mechanisms that protect the Pedwire system within the overall security architecture. The Fedwire safeguards are grouped into the following categories: Physical security - to limit access to terminals and computer operations areas to those individuals who require access to perform their duties. Guards, surveillance equipment, and card key access devices are relied upon to prevent and detect unauthorized physical access to restricted computer spaces. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 124 - 4 - Access conj^rojjj - both software and code words, to prevent unauthorized access to sensitive data and programs. gncryption - to protect the confidentiality and integrity of Fedwire transactions, especially from interlopers. Nearly 100 percent of transmissions between depository institutions and Reserve Banks are encrypted and, as I will discuss later, the "backbone" communications network that links the 12 Federal Reserve Banks will be encrypted by July 1990. ftdmiq^Btrative controls - to govern employment practices, separation of duties, and software development standards. Capacity planning and disaster recovery programs ate also key components of the architecture to ensure that Fedwire provides secure and reliable services. In recent years, Fedvire computer uptime has improved steadily as a result of added attention to the need for a secure, resilient, and reliable automation environment. For example, in 1987 and 1988, Fedwire computer uptime averaged 99.14 and 99.21 percent, respectively. In 1989, Fedwire computer uptime averaged over 99.71 percent. I might note that last year's uptime statistic covers the period of the October 17, 1989, San Francisco earthquake. As a result of careful preparation and skillful action on the scene, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco was able to recover operations quickly after the earthquake with no disruption to electronic payments processing. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 125 - 5 - We welcome the opportunity to refine the implementation of the security safeguards that make up the Fedwire security architecture by responding to the recommendations recently made by the GAO. The GAO's recommendations represent opportunities to tighten further the implementation of a very solid security architecture. We agree fully with IS of the 17 GAO findings, in 12 of the 15 cases, full corrective action has already been taken. Corrective action for the other three findings will be fully completed by the end of June. Moreover, steps are being taken to ensure that the conditions leading to the GAO's findings do not exist at the eight Reserve Banks that were not reviewed by the GAO. The Federal Reserve's internal oversight of security is being focused to ensure that appropriate attention is given to the issues raised by the GAO. As we noted to the GAO, the Federal Reserve has for many years had a program of internal oversight based on independent operations review, financial examination, and audit staffs at both the Board and Reserve Banks. The Board's operations review and financial examination programs will scrutinize Fedwire security in these areas during 1990. Additionally, every Reserve Bank's internal audit function will perform a review of the Fedwire system, including security, to be completed by mid-year. Two specific GAO findings relating to 1) the separation of duties between computer and network operators and 2) hardware redundancy on the "backbone" network linking the 12 Reserve Banks, may be due to some confusion regarding how Fedwire Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 126 - 6 - security is implemented in tt jse areas. The GAO report indicates that there should be a complete separation of duties between computer and network operators. Our view is that combining these functions has no detrimental effect on security and is industry practice. Adequate hardware redundancy already exists on the "backbone" communications network as part of a comprehensive and sound backup plan to provide quick recovery for the failure of any network component. This backup plan, which is tested quarterly and has been used successfully in production, has contributed to our network availability record of over 99.99 percent since the network was implemented in 1982. A detailed discussion of our response regarding network backup is appended to the GAO report. The GAO also makes two systemwide recommendations. First, the GAO recommends that the Board require annual external reviews of Fedwire security. He agree that it is useful to engage the services of outside consultants to assess security. He believe, however, that such outside consultation can best be used when conditions support such a need, as opposed to regular annual consultations. The system has a history of employing outside technical consultants to assess security, as I already noted in the case of the development of the Federal Reserve's security safeguards. More recently, an outside assessment of Fedwire security has just been completed at the Federal Reserve BanK of Hew York. An outside consultant specializing in security performed a risk assessment of the Bank's Fedwire operations, including both automation and business areas. Use of a firm with specialized security expertise is intended, in part, to introduce Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 127 a view that is unconstrained by acceptance of traditional safeguards. It is a way to take a "fresh look" at what we do. The results of this security review will be shared among all the Federal Reserve Banks. In addition, the Board retains a public accounting firm each year to review a range of operations review and financial examination procedures. This year, the firm will review electronic data processing, including a review of security. He will continue to employ consultative services such as these when, based on management judgement, the circumstances warrant such input. The GAO's second systemwide recommendation is that the Federal Reserve use both encryption and message authentication (known as MAC or message authentication codes) to enhance security. As noted earlier, nearly 100 percent of Fedwire links between Reserve Banks and depository institutions are already encrypted. Further, encryption of the •"backbone" network will be completed by July 1990. The Federal Reserve has made significant resource investments in studying the use of message authentication codes for Fedwire. These investments include active participation on American National Standards Institute study groups to develop bona fide national standards for message authentication and the complex process of key management that is a necessary part of a message authentication system. On a large network with a variety of endpoints, such as Fedwire, use of message authentication codes must take place in a manner consistent with approved technical standards for both authentication and management of authentication keys. Reliance on national standards is important Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 128 - 8 - in order to avoid unique technical solutions that ultimately raise the costs of the depository institutions connected to Fedwire. Further, commercially available solutions that are cost effective for the range of depository institutions that use Fedwire must be available. The first phase of a Federal Reserve effort to test emerging commercial message authentication code products that meet national standards has just been completed. These tests have not uncovered any technical impediments to the use of message authentication codes on Fedwire. with the results of this phase of our program to investigate message authentication codes complete, plans to adopt message authentication as an additional security enhancement for Fedwire are currently under review. Adoption of message authentication on Fedwire has ay strong personal support. I will now turn to the GAO recommendation that the Federal Reserve Board work with other central banks and bank supervisory authorities to ensure effective oversight and regulation of the S.W.I.F.T. system and similar systems that serve the international banking community. S.H.I.F.T. processes a large volume of payment orders that result in the transfer of very large sums between depository institutions, both domestically and abroad. S.H.I.F.T. differs from Fedwire and CHIPS, however, in the manner of settlement for these payment orders. In Fedwire, payment orders result in virtually instantaneous debits and credits on the books of the Reserve Banks without any independent action on the part of the sending or receiving bank, similarly, CHIPS messages are settled Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 129 - 9 - virtually automatically at the end of the day. Payment orders sent over S.W.I.F.T., on the other hand, must be settled independently of the S.W.I.F.T. system through correspondent accounts or through Fedwire or CHIPS transfers. In this regard, S.W.I.F.T. is only one of a number of different means that banks use to communicate payment orders. Payment orders may be transmitted telephonically or by data transmission, using a variety of providers of telecommunications services. For any system used to transmit payment orders that may result in the transfer of large sums, however, a depository institution receiving the payment order should be responsible for verifying the authenticity and the content of the payment order before acting on it. A proposed new Article 4A to the Uniform Commercial Code makes it clear that depository institutions are liable if they act on unauthorized payment orders unless they use commercially reasonable security procedures, in some cases, a receiving bank may have sufficient confidence in the controls and the integrity of the system through which it receives payment orders to rely on this system's authentication and verification procedures. In other cases, a depository institution may wish to verify and authenticate payment orders by means of its own procedures. He believe that the appropriate role of bank supervisors is to ensure that depository institutions maintain adequate authentication and verification procedures and that they do not rely on others to perform these critical functions without assuring themselves that these functions are performed adequately. Ordinarily, the supervisory focus should be on the Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 130 - io - institution receiving a payment order rather than on a telecommunications system transmitting the order, where a receiving depository institution relies on an authentication procedure provided by a telecommunications service provider, such as CHIPS, we may need to be able to examine the communications systems on which they rely in order to assure ourselves that depository institutions are not delegating these functions inappropriately. At the same time, however, ve do not want to encourage depository institutions to delegate these functions to service providers merely because the service providers enjoy some degree of federal oversight. We will continue to monitor and evaluate bank reliance on telecommunications systems, including the s.W.I.F.T. system. When we discover problems stemming from banks' reliance on telecommunications systems we will take steps to strengthen our supervisory oversight and, where appropriate, coordinate any regulatory activities with supervisory authorities or central banks in other countries. We believe, however, that the principal responsibility to authenticate payment orders lies with the banks receiving these orders. The Subcommittee has also asked for the Federal Reserve's broader perspective on the importance of technology in the future of the international financial marketplace, we expect a continuing and increasing reliance on automation and communications to provide secure, reliable, and efficient payment services. In our discussions with central bankers from other developed nations, it is evident that their approach to using advanced technologies for payment system applications is quite similar to that in the U.S. Host of the G-10 countries and Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 131 - ii - Switzerland have state-of-the-art computer systems with many of the features found in comparable U.S. banking systems. These systems rely on sophisticated computer systems, sound test procedures, and advanced recovery features designed to provide high availability. Generally, the same technology used in the U.S. for encryption, physical security, and access control is available in many other nations. As the cost effectiveness of automation improves, the use of advanced automation and communications technologies will continue to grow. Even today, the technology is available to link international financial markets around the clock. The benefits and promise of this advanced technology, however, can only be achieved through its careful management. As payment systems become more reliant on sophisticated technology to deliver basic functions, the consequences of a systems failure or security breach is expanded significantly. We believe that close attention by senior management to automation planning, disaster recovery, and security is essential. In conclusion, we are confident in the security architecture surrounding Fedwire and in this system's ability to provide high reliability in a secure environment. He appreciate the analysis conducted by the GAO and, in most cases, we agree with the findings and have moved quickly to correct the problems that have been identified. As I stated at the outset, the GAO's findings represent an opportunity to tighten the implementation of a security program that we believe is exceptionally sound. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 132 - 14 Q.4. In recent weeks reports have surfaced in the Massa- chusetts media suggesting that for a variety of possible reasons a credit crunch appears to be developing. The Associated Industries of Massachu- setts (AIM) conducted a survey on this issue and has indicated a significant problem for many of its members. AIM indicates a number of cases in which solid companies may be losing the credit they have used for years to keep their companies functioning. I am very concerned that federal policy be sensitive to the credit needs of Massachusetts. We must be careful that we do all that is possible to fuel a rapid recovery and not starve growth and produce a longer and deeper economic downturn than would otherwise occur. Massachusetts businesses need to know that if they operate prudently they will be able to get the credit they need to grow. We need a predictable supply of capital that is being soundly managed by our financial institutions according to tough but reasonable federal standards with careful oversight. Does the Fed believe that Massachusetts is facing a credit crunch that could threaten business growth and community economic stability or not? If so, is there anything that can or should be done at the federal level to prevent this from occurring? A. 4. The Federal Reserve is aware that banks in the New England area, as well as in other areas of the coun- try, have tightened their credit standards in recent months for certain types of credits in response to changing economic conditions, increasing levels of nonperforming assets, and on-going scrutiny by regu- latory agencies. Such tightening could reduce the amount of credit provided to businesses and con- sumers in those areas, with potential effects on the level of local economic activity. Any tighten- ing might well be more visible and felt more guickly in states like Massachusetts, which have enjoyed relatively rapid growth during recent years. In order to threaten regional economic stability, how- ever, any reduced lending would most likely need to be prolonged and more severe than we have been able to detect. The Federal Reserve conducts surveys periodically to gain insights into the views and lending policies of banks throughout the country. A survey in January of 60 large banks indicated that during the past Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 133 6 months a large majority of the respondents had become less willing to make construction and land development loans, while about one-fifth of them were less willing to extend overall business credit. Most banks had also tightened their credit standards for merger-related loans and for loans to borrowers with lower than investment-grade ratings. Less than 10 percent of the respondents indicated any tighten- ing of standards for nonmerger-related loans to investment grade firms. Generally, the respondents cited less favorable economic conditions as the most important factor leading to their policy change. Other factors cited, in descending importance, were industry-specific problems, a deterioration in the quality of their overall loan portfolios, capital adequacy concerns, and regulatory pressures. Nationwide aggregate statistics on bank lending (seasonally adjusted) indicated virtually no loan growth in December and January but an annualized increase of 5.3 percent in February. By comparison, the average rate for 1989 was 7.6 percent. Regional conditions vary, of course, from these overall patterns. Recently, loan growth in the Northeast and the Southwest has been weaker than national averages. When considering the effects of any reduced lending activity by banks and the appropriate policy response, it is useful to remember that the United States is enjoying the longest period of peacetime economic growth in its history. At this time, some retrenchment may well be expected, especially in those geographic and economic sectors that have experienced rapid growth and whose banks are affected by high levels of nonperforming assets. The large losses reported throughout the 1980s by thrifts and more recently by commercial banks suggest that financing activity in the real estate industry, in particular, has been excessive. In some cases, these losses reflect deficient lending and appraisal standards that should be strengthened and that have been and are being addressed by banks, the Congress, and the supervisory agencies. As both the nation's central bank and a bank super- visory agency, the Federal Reserve continually monitors bank lending practices. It is essential that banks be willing and able to meet the financing needs of their communities, but they should do so prudently. As recent experience has shown, there are substantial costs associated with both too much Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 134 - 16 - restraint and with too little; we are attempting to strike the proper balance. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 135 Chairman Greenspan subsequently submitted the following in response to a written question from Senator Pressler in connection with the hearing held on February 22, 1990. Question: In your prepared statement on page 13 you refer to "huge stocks of financial claims" that include more than $1.5 trillion held in the United States by foreigners. This brings to mind an editorial that appeared in the Rapid City Journal (Rapid City, South Dakota) of January 28, 1990 that is critical of our tax policy with respect to foreign investors. A copy of the editorial is attached. It refers to observations you are said to have made concerning the policy of not withholding taxes in this situation, which I would appreciate your elaborating upon or clarifying. Does our need to finance the national debt affect the collection of taxes due the United States? Answer: In the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984, Congress provided for a statutory exemption of interest received on portfolio investment in the United States. This exemption covers interest received by foreign investors in U.S. Treasury securities as well as in U.S. corporate debt instruments. Prior to the enactment of this statutory exemp- tion, only a small amount of tax revenue was raised by the U.S. tax on interest payments to foreign investors. The low level of tax revenue from the U.S. tax on foreign investors' U.S. interest earnings has been attributed to the particulars of preexisting U.S. statutory treatments, tax treaties, and regulatory policies. Preexisting statutory exemptions included interest paid to foreign depositors on their accounts in U.S. banking offices. Income tax treaties eliminated tax on a reciprocal basis. For example, the U.S. statutory rate of 30 percent was reduced to zero under trea- ties with West Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom. The most important regulatory policy involved the acceptance by U.S. tax authorities of the use by U.S. corporations of Netherlands Antilles subsidiaries to avoid taxes. The above explains why the U.S. tax on foreign investors' U.S. interest earnings yielded little tax revenue. Such explanations have led some to propose the elimination of statutory exemptions and the overriding of tax treaties. It is argued that such Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 136 -2- actions would produce an environment in which foreign investors would be appropriately and effectively taxed on their U.S. interest earnings. Opponents of the proposals point out that if the supply of foreign savings to the United States is very sensitive to after-tax rates of return, then the imposition of an effective tax on foreign investors' U.S. interest earnings would require a rise in U.S. interest rates to attract foreign savings. In that way, an effective tax might have large costs associated with it. Obviously, the possible costs of such a tax have risen in line with the increase in U.S. demand for foreign savings. Digitized for FRASER http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/ Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

Alan Greenspan (1990, February 21). Congressional Testimony. Testimony, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/testimony_19900222_chair_federal_reserves_first_monetary_policy

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