speeches · May 3, 1938
Speech
M.S. Szymczak · Governor
Speech delivered before
National Association of Mutual Savings Banks
New York, New York
May 193B
MUTUAL SAVINGS BANKS AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
The nature of our work is such that, in order to operate as effec-
tively as possible, we are obliged to lira.it our public remarks so as not
to hamper our activity in the direction of the public good.
The mutual savings banks are to my mind remarkable institutions,
and I feel especially honored by this opportunity to address a conference
of their representatives.
At the risk of boring you X am compelled, for the sake of proper se-
quence and relation, to state many facts about mutual savings banks with
which you naturally are familiar.
As you know, the mutual savings banks are remarkable for their age.
At the present time I understand that 55, or one-tenth of their total
number, are a century old or more. Over of them were established be-
fore the Civil War. I cannot think of any other class of business or
financial institution in the country which has a more admirable record of
longevity. There are a few commercial banks which are older than the
mutual savings banks, but the total number that have behind them 100
years or more of continuous existence is extremely small. The same thing
is true of insurance companies, factories, retail and wholesale estab-
lishments. Even among those which have some claim to 100 years of exist-
ence there have been in the majority of cases reorganizations and changes
of corporate entity that have interrupted the continuity of their life.
A very large proportion of the mutual savings banks, however, have under-
gone no essential change whatever in their identity. They are still,
after a century or more of operation, the same legal entities that they
were before the period of modern industrial and business development. A
very large proportion of them had their beginnings in the days when rail-
way transportation was little known or wholly unknown, when electricity
had not yet been brought under control and made useful to man for pur-
poses of lighting, communication and power, when large scale factory pro-
duction of commodities was as yet undeveloped, when cities were small and
the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the United States lived
on farms, and when the country was as yet unvexed by the industrial and
social problems that beset us today. It is a striking and unusual thing
that so many of the mutual savings banks should have survived without
essential alteration the social and industrial changes which have wrought
profound transformation in so many of the older forms of business organ-
ization.
Even though the mutual savings banks are nearly all here in the
northeastern part of the United States and draw their deposits to such
an extent from this one region, they provide an important part of the
long term credit for the country as a whole. They are among our largest
institutional investors, especially as holders of real estate mortgages,
railway, utility, municipal and government bonds.
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It is a curious fact that mutual savings banks should be at the same
time so important an element in the financial structure of the country's
business and so little known and understood outside a relatively small
portion of the United States.
The importance of the mutual savings bank in our financial structure
is most easily illustrated by the fact that the 560 mutual savings banks
hold practically half of the total savings deposits there are in all banks
in the United States. Altogether savings deposits in this country amount
to twenty-two billion dollars. Of this amount, ten billions, or practi-
cally half, is in the 560 mutual savings banks, six and a half billions is
in the national banks, some 5,000 in number, and five and a half billions
is in State commercial banks, some 9,500 in number. In other words, about
half of the country's savings deposits is in the 560 mutualand the other
half is in some 15,000 commercial banks, national and State.
Yet in spite of their importance, the mutual savings banks, as I have
already indicated, are largely confined, to this corner of the United States
comprising New England, New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. In these
few States are of all mutual savings banks, 9<<# of the deposits of all
mutual savings banks, and 93% of all mutual savings bank depositors.
Another thing is the fact that these institutions, unlike most of the
financial and business organizations with which we are familiar in our
economic life are not typical privately owned corporations operated for
profit. They are, as their nane reflects, mutual or cooperative enter-
prises without stockholders. Their depositors are their owners. Though,
outside the Federal Reserve System, the mutuals have shown a great inter-
est in its operations.
The Federal Reserve System, only 21+ years old, was called into being
by those developments which make our own period so profoundly different
from that period in which the older mutual savings institutions were or-
ganized. One hundred years ago individual banks were still more or less
isolated in their own communities.. Transportation and communication had
not yet drawn communities and regions so close to one another as they now
are. Banking institutions and the communities in which they operated
were more nearly self-sufficient then than now.
With the characteristic changes I have referred to, however, inter-
dependence became more and more the prevailing condition under which
banks had to operate. With the increased volume of demand deposits and
with the increased use of bank checks as a medium of payment, commercial
banks were necessarily drawn closer and closer together. This was not
true of banks alone. On the contrary, as the population increased, and
as larger areas of the country came under development, 'interdependence
in general between individuals, institutions and communities became more
and more pronounced. The isolation and self-sufficiency of the earlier
days when the population was small and diffused and scattered and when
economic activity was more largely a matter of each man providing for
his own wants was no longer possible.
I need not remind you also that during the long span of years which
is covered by the existence of the mutual savings banks, Collective and
large scale economic enterprises became more and more common. During
the course of those years railway companies gradually were amalgamated
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into widespread systems. Small factories employing hundreds expanded
into large ones employing thousands and at the same time became amalga-
mated with other factories into enormous productive enterprises with units
in various parts of the country. Communication systems felt the same im-
pulse to amalgamate into unified networks.
In the field of banking the needs of growing interdependence were
met by development of the correspondent relationship between banks in the
country and banks in the larger centers. The correspondent system broughi
the scattered independent banks of the country into close relation with
the money markets and enabled them to utilize those markets at times for
the investment of their surplus funds and at times as sources of addi-
tional funds.
The correspondent relationship however could not wholly meet the
changing requirements of our financial and economic order. Being wholly
voluntary and embracing institutions which were operated for profit, it
had to be governed by the particular interests of bank stockholders.
Most of the time, to be sure, the interest of the individual institution
coincided with the public interest or at least did not conflict with it.
There were times, however, when conflict did arise - when individual in-
stitutions in order to protect their own solvency were forced to take ac-
tion which considered collectively was contrary to the public interest
and contrary even to the interest of the individual banks involved.
This condition was recognized when the Federal Reserve System was
established. The Federal Reserve banks were set up under the authority
of Congress as public instrumentalities. Since they are not operated for
profit, the Federal Reserve banks never experience that conflict which in
the case of privately managed institutions may arise between the public
interest and the immediate interest of the stockholders.
The establishment of the Federal Reserve banks supplied a closer
bond which was needed between the separate commercial banking institutions
of the country. It made them better able to cope with the conditions of
our modern industrial life - conditions profoundly different from those
that prevailed when banking first began in this country. Let me describe
what I consider the more important specific powers which the Federal Re-
serve banks were given in order that they might fulfill their purpose.
First is their lending power. A limitation that the banking system
had been under before the organization of the Federal Reserve banks was
that the lending power of the banks, since it was limited by their own
reserves, might be in times of emergency very quickly exhausted. Banks
in correspondent centers feeling a sudden demand upon them for credit,
not only from their own local customers but from their correspondents in
the agricultural west, found themselves unable to meet all the demands
put upon them. The Federal Reserve banks are under no such limitation.
Practically speaking their statutory powers enable them by the process of
lending to expand the reserves of their member banks almost without limit.
Their powers to buy and sell securities enable them at need either to ex-
pand or contract the reserves of member banks and thereby either restrain
or encourage the extension of credit by the latter.
Bank deposits, especially those transferable by check, constitute,
of course, the major part of the means of payment available to business
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and to the public in general for economic transactions. The importance
of an adequate volume of the means of payment is 'self-evident yet diffi-
cult to measure. On the one hand it is a fact that demand deposits serve
their principal purpose as a means of monetary payment and that their
availability in adequate volume is as important as the availability of
currency and coin, although in a somewhat different way. On the other
hand, mere volume of deposits is not enoughj there has to be use. This
use is reflected in the turnover or velocity of deposits. The relation
of a given volume of money to the volume of monetary transactions that
may be effected by it is apparent, I think, when one remembers that a
dollar bill may be carried in one's pocket-book for days without effect-
ing a single payment; but the same dollar if spent by one person after
another to whom it may be paid may in the course of the same period of
time effect several dollars' worth of transactions. The existing volume
of bank deposits, when turned over repeatedly, is in the same way cap-
able of effecting monetary payments of many times greater volume.
The Federal Reserve System, Operating through the twelve Federal
Reserve banks and the Board of Governors, is empowered to perform cer-
tain central banking functions, and the primary purpose of such functions
is to make the supply of money, not merely in the form of currency but
mainly in the form of deposits, adequate for an active and healthy volume
of business. Responsibility for the use of the funds made available
rests, of course, in other hands. The Federal Reserve System can insure
an adequate supply of funds to lend, but it cannot insure that borrowers
will want to use them. It does not - it cannot - exercise an absolute
control over the use of credit; it does exercise an influence over the
use of credit. Its object is on the one hand to encourage sound business
activity and on the other to discourage unsound activity.
In taking such corrective action the Federal Reserve System is able
under the coordinating control of the Board of Governors in Washington to
follow a uniform policy. It is able to provide the country with an or-
derly and mobile means of meeting monetary needs. It frees the commer-
cial banks of the country from, the embarrassments and dangers that would
be apt to arise if the means of cooperation and of unifying leadership
in monetary policy were lacking.
Another important central banking function of the Federal Reserve
System, closely allied with what I have just been discussing, is that of
issuing currency. As many of you recall, before the establishment of the
System the machinery for the provision of currency was inefficient. The
currency lacked elasticity. The Federal Reserve banks make it possible
now for seasonal and other demands for currency to be met smoothly and
adequately., They also make it possible for surplus currency to be
promptly retired. In the exercise of the currency function, the Federal
Reserve banks effect an automatic response to the requirements of the
public as manifested by their request at times for an increased amount
of currency and by their deposit at other times of currency which they
do not wish to keep on hand. Money will not be drawn out or kept in
circulation except to the extent that people want it, and the Federal Re-
serve banks are governed by the public demand in determining the volume
of currency to be supplied.
Another function of the System is to furnish a nation-wide and uni-
form means for the transfer of funds and for the clearance and collection
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of checks and other items. As I have already indicated, the growth in
the importance of demand deposits transferable by check as a means of
payment was one of the important business developments of the nineteenth
century. In the. days when the first mutual savings banks were organized,
deposits were still of relatively minor importance in commercial banks.
In fact, the growth of mutual savings banks with their emphasis upon de-
posits was one of the factors which led commercial banks to cultivate
deposit business. For a long time, however, commercial banks continued
to look upon their circulating notes as more important than their de-
posits. The difference between mutual savings banks and commercial banks
was rendered more obvious then by the fact that the liabilities the
mutuals were in the form of deposits, whereas the liabilities of commer-
cial banks were mainly in the form of circulating notes. Now that com-
mercial banks no longer issue circulating notes but cariy their obliga-
tions mostly in the form of deposits, the distinction between the commer-
cial bank and the mutual savings bank is on the surface less apparent.
Fundamentally, of course, the distinction between the demand deposits
characteristic of the commercial bank and the savings deposits character-
istic of the mutual corresponds to the distinction between the circula-
tion of commercial banks a hundred years ago and the deposits in mutual
savings institutions at that time.
It is a necessary condition of the use of checks as a means of pay-
ment on the scale with which we are familiar that their clearance and
collection should be facilitated in every way possible. When the banks
of the country were dependent exclusively upon the correspondent rela-
tionship for this function, the routes followed by checks on their way
from the creditor bank to the debtor bank were, as many of you will re-
call, so indirect as to be fantastic. Complicated arrangements grew up
whereby checks instead of going by the shortest course from the bank with
which they were deposited to the bank on which they were drawn would
travel from point to point in great circuits in order to avoid exchange
charges. This meant the existence of an enormous float which was expen-
sive through loss of interest, through clerical and transportation costs,
and through losses arising from delayed, collection. At the present time
under the machinery provided by the twelve Federal Reserve banks the col-
lection and clearance of items has been greatly expedited.
In what I have said so far in description of the Federal Reserve
System I have not discussed its functions as they relate specifically to
the mutual savings banks. This question may be considered from two dif-
ferent points of view. One is the point of view of the mutuals as poten-
tial members of the Federal Reserve System, the other is the point of
view of the mutuals as institutions standing outside the System.
As you are aware, the Banking Act of 1933 'made provision, for the
first time for the admission to the Federal Reserve System of mutual sav-
ings banks. Mutual savings banks that have surplus and undivided profits
amounting to not less than the amount of capital required for the organ-
isation of national banks in the same localities are now eligible for
membership. Upon approval of its application for membership, a mutual
savings bank is required to subscribe to stock in the Federal Reserve
bank equal to six-tenths of one per cent of its total deposit liabilities
or, if the State law does not permit it to purchase such stock, it may
simply deposit an equal amount in a special account with the Federal
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Reserve bank* .Upon admission1to membership a mutual savings bank, of
course, is entitled to all of the privileges of membership like any other
member bankV ••• • •<• '
The Banking Act of 1935 amended the Federal Reserve Act so as to
give the Reserve banks permanent authority to make advances to their mem-
ber banks against any sound assets, including mortgages and industrial
bonds. This placed the Reserve banks in a much better position to render
financial assistance to any mutual savings banks which might choose to
join the System. The Federal Reserve Banks can lend against mortgages
and industrial bonds as veil as against Government securities and member
banks need not be forced to liquidate their mortgages or to dump their
bonds on the market and force the price down.
However, there are various reasons, I presume, why mutuals have not
sought membership in the System. As representative of what I imagine is
a common point of view among mutual savings banks I should like to quote
from the April issue of the Savings Bank Journal the following words of
Judge William H. Speer, who is a member of the board of managers, and of
the"investment board of the Provident Institution for Savings, of Jersey
City.
"There is a great difference between what is known as
a mutual savings bank and a commercial bank, a distinction
which never has been, but now should be definitely estab-
lished in the mind of the public...
"If we employ language accurately, savings banks do
not conduct a banking business, nor are 3uch institutions
'banks' in the strict sense of that word. In their early
history they were hot termed banks. The oldest mutual sav-
ings bank in this state was and still is 'The Provident
Institution for Savings', and the largest was and is known
as the 'Howard Savings Institution'...
"The deposits of savings banks are not lent on per-
sonal security, but invested..."
The feeling on the part of mutual savings banks that they are in a
class by themselves distinct from commercial banks is, of course, supported
by the fact that the mutuals have no demand deposits and make their invest-
ments primarily in the long term capital market. They may therefore be
classed with institutional investors such as insurance companies rather
than with commercial banks. Their deposits have not the same monetary
function as the demand deposits of commercial banks, though of course say-
ings deposits, may be readily converted by depositors into demand deposits
of commercial banks. This of course is also true of time and savings de-
posits held by the commercial banks themselves. Savings deposits as such
however' do not serve as immediate means of payment the way demand deposits
do nor have they the flexible powers of expanding and contracting as the
volume of business expands and contracts. For this reason, the mutual
savings banks' need of facilities' for rediscount, for procurement of. cur-
• rencv, and for the clearance and collection of checks is much less than
the corresponding need of commercial banks for those services. These con-
siderations, I take it, incline them to remain outside the federal Reserve
System.
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At the same time, from the point of view of monetary regulation,
their membership is not as essential as is the membership of commercial
banks. The reason for this in theory is that mutual savings banks are
primarily intermediaries for the investment of the savings of the com-
munity, and not create new money to the extent that commercial banks do;
although, it must be admitted that from the standpoint of lending and in-
vestment activities the distinction between commercial banks and mutual
savings banks is less marked than it used to be.
These considerations, which explain in part the absence of the mu-
tual savings institutions from membership in the Federal Reserve System,
do not mean, however, that the existence of the system is of no conse-
quence or concern to the mutual savings banks; nor on the other hand thai
the mutual savings banks and their interests are not a matter of concern
to the Board of Governors in shaping and coordinating the System's mone-
tary and credit policies. Those policies are not based in any sense upor
a narrow view of member bank interest alone; they are based on the public
interest. In formulating them and carrying them out, the Board recog-
nises that they may affect the soundness of all mortgage loans wherever
held and the value of all investments. The mutuals, therefore, as agen-
cies for the investment of the public's savings in the long term capital
market, have a particularly close interest in the central banking poli-
cies of the Federal Reserve System. Those policies influence the demand
for funds and the yield upon investments. This makes the System of the
utmost importance and concern to the mutuals - a fact that is especially
apparent in the System's open market operations in government securities,
of which the mutuals hold well over #2,000,000,000. The Federal Reserve
Banks buy and sell such securities with the object of regulating the
available supply of money and stabilizing the market, and this action is
always of obvious moment to the holders of such securities.
Likewise, as you know, the mutuals carry large balances in commer-
cial banks, which fact alone provides a direct interest in the System anc
its operations as well as an interest in the mutuals by the System.
I should like to assure you in conclusion, therefore, that in deter-
minations of the System's policy and action, your interests are constant!;
taken into account. It is never forgotten that whether you are members
of the Federal Reserve System or not, the value of your assets and the
volume of your business are affected by what the System does. I do not
mean, of course, that the mutuals are in any way singled out for consid-
eration. What I mean, as I know you understand, is that the business of
the country as a whole, of which you are an important part, is the object
of the Board's interest and of the Federal Reserve banks1 interest. The
Federal Reserve Banks and the Board were established for the purpose of
serving the public interest and there are no considerations of profit or
other motive to interfere with their obedience to that interest.
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author = {M.S. Szymczak},
title = {Speech},
year = {1938},
month = {May},
howpublished = {Speeches, Federal Reserve},
url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/speech_19380504_szymczak},
note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}