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October 6, 2017
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St. Louis Fed President James Bullard drew on recent
research from the St. Louis Fed and others to compare
living standards across hundreds of metro areas in the
U.S., just as living standards across countries have long
been compared. He highlighted the importance of
adjusting for price differences across MSAs when making
such comparisons. In all, 381 MSAs in the U.S. were
studied. Bullard noted that the St. Louis MSA ranked in the
top 6 percent of these metro areas. This analysis may lead
to other research on why some cities are more successful
than others, he said. Bullard spoke at the Bi-State
Development’s annual meeting, in downtown St. Louis.
*Please note the updated chart on slide 33 and the addition of
slide 35, “Bottom line on top 10 MSAs,” on Oct. 24, 2017.
Below is a transcript of Bullard's remarks, in addition to Q&A
with the audience. This transcript has been lightly edited for
clarity. A video of the event is also available.
James Bullard: Well, good afternoon, and what a great
audience here. I'm really looking forward to the remarks
here and to challenge this audience and also to a Q&A. I
will take Q&A at the end if I can see any of you. These are
bright lights up here, so I'm not really used to that. So we're
going to need slides up here in order to do this. Here we
are. Can we go back one? Good. Here we are. I wanted to
start with this because, you know, I'm not going to talk
about monetary policy here. [Laughter.] The audience
breathed a sigh of relief.
I'm going to talk about something I think you'd be very
interested in, which is living standards across U.S.
metropolitan statistical areas, and this represents, as I'm
going to outline here, some research and some ideas I've
been thinking about and that I've talked with John about
over the last year or so. So this is kind of testing out the
research results. I'm anxious to hear what you guys think
about it.
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"Rationally, let it be said in a
whisper, experience is certainly
worth more than theory."
Amerigo Vespucci
So this is going to draw on some recent research at the St.
Louis Fed, but it will also be supplemented by additional
recent research from outside the Bank. Some of you know
that the St. Louis Fed has one of the top economic
research departments in the Federal Reserve and in fact in
the world, so we're trying to leverage that to attack this
particular issue. For those that want to see recent
comments on monetary policy, you can look at my talk at
Truman State University last week, and also during the Q&A
I'd be happy to entertain questions about monetary policy if
you want to go in that direction.
The paper I'm going to talk about is by my colleagues,
Cletus Coughlin, Chuck Gascon and Kevin Kliesen. It is
available on our webpage. You can click on it. It's called
"Living Standards in St. Louis and the Eighth Federal
Reserve District: Let's Get Real." The things I'm going to talk
about here in these slides are a little bit more preliminary
than the published paper. And so I'm happy to take
comments if you have any or you know other people that
have comments.
I want to motivate this by—with the really large literature on
international standards of living that is already out there.
And in that literature we try to address—we economists try
to address the question of which national economies are
performing well and which national economies are
performing less well for their citizens. And there's an
established methodology for how to do that, and I'm going
to copy that methodology.
And, again—you're just talking about whether the citizens
are well-off in terms of material well-being. You're not
trying to get at anything else. It's just sort of pure
economics, material well-being. Some countries do very
well and are considered rich countries, like the United
States. Others do less well, and they're considered
relatively poor on the world scale. So we would like to be
able to make similar statements across metropolitan
statistical areas in the U.S.
So if you look at this international literature, you'll get a
picture like this. The vertical axis is some kind of measure
of real per capita income across countries, and each bar on
this represents one country. And the U.S. is called out
there. It's on toward the left in this picture, which means it's
a relatively high per capita income. GDP is the same as
income. And China and India are relatively low on this.
And so we make statements that say, you know, U.S. is a
relatively wealthy country or relatively rich country in terms
of per capita income. And China and India have lower
standards of living because they have lower per capita
income. So we want to make exactly these kinds of
statements across U.S. metropolitan statistical areas.
Now, I just want to stress to people that, just because
you're the highest, or one of the highest standards of living
in the world doesn't mean that we're the fastest-growing.
It's well-known in particular China and India are fastergrowing countries, but they have lower standards of living.
And I think it's—you know, it's something where the
statistics bear out actual experience. If you go to India, if
you go to China, you'll see a very different country than
what you see here, if you travel across the whole country.
So let me just talk about MSAs in the U.S. And I think some
of you probably know this, but we've got the whole set of
MSAs. An MSA is an area containing a large population
center in adjacent counties with a high degree of
integration with that center, as measured by commuting
patterns. So there's some science behind this about how
you do this and how you de ne this. And it provides a
natural unit for what we want to talk about here, instead of
arti cial political boundaries, which are, you know, sort of
dotted lines around certain areas.
We want to talk about the economic unit, and I think the
MSA is designed to do that. And so we're going to do that.
And, certainly, Bi-State Development is all about getting the
whole region to work together. About 90 percent of U.S.
GDP is produced in metropolitan statistical areas. We're
going to look at the whole set here: 381 MSAs in the U.S.,
about 86 percent of the U.S. population lived in these
places.
The smallest was Carson City, Nev., at 54,000 people.
50,000 is the cutoff here, so they won't de ne an MSA
smaller than that. Largest is New York City, population 20
million. The median population, about 238,000; average
population, 721,000. So this means these big cities are
really big compared to the Carson City, Nevadas of the
world. So you have a lot of skewness in the size
distribution of cities.
So what we're going to do, because it's so skewed, is that
we're also going to consider just a set of the very largest
MSAs in the sample, having a population of at least 1
million. For that group, about 56 percent of the population
lives in that group. There are 53 of these large MSAs. St.
Louis is one of them. Tucson, Ariz., is the smallest, about 1
million. New York's the largest. Median population for this
large set, 2.3 million; average population, 3.4 million. Those
numbers are not too far from the St. Louis area. And so
there's skewness even among the large MSAs, but it's not
as extreme as for the whole set of MSAs. So we're going to
report results for both sets.
And here's a picture that I love that our staff did to give you
an idea about what we're talking about here. Those blue,
darker blue, are the 53 large MSAs in the country. And,
again, you're talking about half of GDP is in those blue,
darker blue blocks. If you add in the lighter blue blocks, you
get the entire set of MSAs. You've got 90 percent of GDP
being produced in those areas. So this is what we're talking
about. And the question as I look at this map, where is the
—which of these are performing the best and which are
performing less well, based on per capita income?
Now, a key to this research is the idea of price levels by
MSA. And those of you that know me and have heard me
talk about this know where I'm going on this. Prices vary
greatly across the U.S. And, certainly, we all have an
intuitive sense that some places are wildly expensive and
other places are very inexpensive.
And the good thing is that, recently, there's been more
systematic accounting of this and better data has been
developed on regional price level differences. And we're
going to use this new data—that's what makes this really
interesting to macroeconomic people like me—hey, this is
some new data that we can use. But we're going to use this
new data to calculate the real income per capita across
these MSAs.
So these new data are called Regional Price Parities, RPPs.
They measure the differences in price levels by MSA,
across MSAs, in a given year. So it's annual data. This is
done by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. These data
started to be published in 2014. So in the world of
research, that's just like yesterday. They just became
available, and so we're starting to use them. They are
available back to 2008, but here in this talk I'm mainly just
going to focus on one particular year, the most recent year
for which we have complete data, which is 2015.
These RPPs are expressed as a percentage of the national
price level. So you'll see numbers like 90 or 110. That
means 90 percent of the national price level or 110 percent
of the national price level. And this covers all consumption
goods and services and includes rents, and that's a key
aspect of what I'm talking about here.
So a key issue here is, well, why do these prices differ
across different parts of the country? If you think of
something like gas stations, I can always go to the next
gas station and it should be competitive with the last gas
station that I was at, and therefore the prices should be just
about the same across the cities. But the reason prices
differ is housing costs, and the housing differentials are
huge.
I've got an example here from Zillow data. St. Louis median
house is about 105 bucks per square foot, median home in
San Francisco about $479 per square foot. That's a ratio of
about ve to one. And I think we know this intuitively, that
these housing costs are so substantially different that it
really affects your standard of living if you live in different
places around the country.
So here's a picture—I've got two pictures like this—this is a
3D picture from metrocosm.com, and the basic message
of this picture, yellow and orange means $200 to $500 per
square foot for housing costs. The darker colors are less
than $50 up to $100 or $150 per square foot. And the basic
idea that you get from this picture is the East Coast—
Boston, New York, D.C., South Florida—and especially the
California coast and Hawaii—are extremely expensive on
this measure, the middle part of the country much less
expensive. Aspen, Colo., comes up to be the very highest
here. I think this is by Zip code, not by MSA. Aspen isn't
actually that big of a place.
This is another picture that shows the same kind of thing,
the share of households that can afford payments on the
median-priced single-family home. And dark green means
three-quarters of the households could afford to buy the
median house in that particular area. Red means that less
than a third of the households could afford to buy even the
median house in that particular area.
So you can see in this picture that the West Coast is all red.
So that means it's very unaffordable even for most
households to buy the median house in that area. I'm not
talking about buying the very best house in the area, just
the median house in the area, whereas the same can be
said for the East Coast—Boston and New York, Florida—
and then in the middle west part of the country, we get
much more affordability, and you get things like two-thirds
or three-quarters of the households can afford to buy the
median house in that area.
So this is just another way to say what we already know,
that housing costs are very different across the country.
This affects your lifestyle. It affects your standard of living
across the country. And it shows up in these RPPs, these
Regional Price Parity numbers, for different parts of the
country.
So the least expensive MSA is Beckley, W.Va. It has an RPP
of about 80 percent, so about 80 percent of the national
price level. So it's cheaper to live there. The most expensive
is Honolulu, 125 percent. And St. Louis is a little over 90
percent of the national average.
OK. So we're ready to do our calculation. What is real
income per capita across these MSAs? We're going to take
real income per capita for each MSA and adjust it based on
these regional price levels. And that's going to give us the
standard of living as the average level of real income per
person for a particular location analogous to the crosscountry literature graph that I showed you at the beginning.
Now, I don't have median data here. I only have the
average. And so this isn't going to take into account
income inequality. You might be saying, OK, the MSA
generates a certain amount of income. That's income per
person. We're not really saying who's getting the income.
That's income inequality. But I'm going to come back with a
section later that's going to talk about income inequality,
including for St. Louis. And we'll take a look at that at the
end.
So the measure of real income is going to be per capita
personal income adjusted for in ation, so this is real
purchasing power. Another possibility would be to look at
household income, and if you read the paper, they do look
at household income. I think that's probably a less good
way to look at it, but if you want to get into that, we can talk
about it. And then if we divide by this RPP for that
particular MSA, we're going to get this real income per
capita, adjusted for regional price differentials. I'm going to
focus on 2015 only here.
So here's the result for the St. Louis MSA. We had an RPP
adjusted real personal income per capita that was about
12 percent higher than the national average. Among the 53
largest MSAs, we ranked No. 7 in the nation. Among the
complete set of 381 MSAs, St. Louis ranks about 20, which
is in the top 6 percent or so. So another way to say this is
St. Louis' standard of living is higher than about 94 percent
of the MSAs in the nation.
Another way to say this is, if I randomly reallocated all of
you to other MSAs, you're probably going to be worse—and
you're the average guy—you're probably going to be worse
off going to one of those other MSAs than staying here in
St. Louis. So this is a good set of numbers for St. Louis
that I think highlights how well this region really does and
brings into stark relief the high standard of living that exists
in this part of the country.
So, what I'm going to do in the rest of the talk is show
tables that expand on this result right here and talk about it
in a variety of ways. So here's the picture analogous to the
cross-country picture that we looked at at the beginning.
So this is our measure of real per capita income. One
would mean that you are the same as the national average
in that particular MSA. Higher than that means you're
higher than the national average.
And you can see that this is arranged—MSAs are arranged
from highest to lowest, going from left to right in this
picture. Each bar represents an MSA. We put St. Louis on
here, and we put the three largest MSAs in the country—
New York, Chicago and LA—that are all trailing us in
standard of living.
You can see there's—this is an S-shaped curve, which I
think is interesting. Some places do extremely well. The
very highest bar there on the far left I believe is Midland,
Texas, so something about oil boom going on there. And
then things gradually trail off, and then some places are
substantially lower in standard of living than the nation as
a whole. But, basically, St. Louis does extremely well on
this.
Now this is the whole set of 381 MSAs. We might also
want to look at the very largest MSAs, and here they are. So
these are the 53 largest ones. Again, we called out St.
Louis and then the three largest ones, which are New York,
Chicago and Los Angeles, which are trailing us. And I'm
going to show you some pictures here in just a minute of
the top 10 here, which we are in the top 10.
Now one thing about this picture and interpreting this, the
ones on the far left there are clearly doing something right,
because they're much higher or substantially higher than
the national average. And then when you get to St. Louis,
we're at the high end, but the cities behind us are not too
far behind us, so you've got a lot of more or less equal
cities that are—the slope is very—not very steep there. And
we're going to look at that also.
So, now what I'm going to do is just focus the rest of the
time on the top 10 large MSAs—and we're No. 7 in that
group—and just look at who they are. So this is a table that
shows you how this came out. St. Louis is No. 7. We're
about at—1.13 for us means about 13 percent above the
national standard of living.
Our competitors are here in this top 10 list. We've got—the
Bay Area does extremely well here. The tech boom has
been going on for at least 20 years there, and it really
shows in these numbers. They're No. 1 and 2, really the
same place—San Jose, Calif., and San Francisco. Boston
doing very well, Seattle also a tech hub. Seattle has
Amazon and Microsoft. Then you get to Washington, D.C.,
and the other—the bottom ve in this list out of the top 10.
And they're very close to being equal. So there's not a huge
difference between them, but we are in the top 10.
Now, some of these in this group have a high cost of living
and some of them have a low cost of living. So one thing
we could add to the list is, say, OK, among these that have
a high standard of living, which are the low-cost areas and
which are the high-cost areas? And we're going to do that
here. And, as you might have surmised just looking through
this list, it's only us and Nashville, Tenn., that have this
lower cost of living. All the others in this list either have
cost of living at the national average or considerably higher
than the national average in the case of San Jose, Calif.,
and San Francisco or even Boston or even Seattle or
Washington, D.C.
Now, I mean, these might just—you might just think, "Well,
gee, Jim, these are just numbers on a table." But, you know,
you think about what this means. You're talking about 90
percent here. You're talking about 110 percent in Boston.
That's a 20 percent cost differential. You think about 121 in
San Francisco or close to that in Washington, D.C. That's a
30 percent cost differential. So if you're a company and
you're producing product here and then shipping it around
the country versus producing product in Washington, D.C.,
or San Francisco and trying to ship it around the country,
those other guys have a 30 percent disadvantage in cost
compared to St. Louis or Nashville. So those are huge
differences.
Could you imagine trying to run your business and your
opponent has a 30 percent cost advantage on you? You're
going to get killed. So I think this is one of the biggest
things about St. Louis and Nashville on this list—Nashville's
going to turn out to be basically identical to St. Louis in
these numbers—is that we have tremendous cost
advantage over our rivals among the cities that have the
highest standard of living in the nation.
Now, just to keep perspective on what we're talking about
here, the international income distribution is a lot more
unequal than the U.S. income distribution. If you take the
ratio of the 90th percentile to the 10th percentile across
MSAs, you're going to get a number of 1.37. So what does
that mean? That means that the average guy in the kind of
the rich city is making about 35 percent, 37 percent more
than the average guy in the poor city that's in the 10th
percentile. So that's a difference of 35-40 percent across
that spectrum.
If you do the same thing to the international data, you get a
stunning number of 28. So that means that the guy in the
90th percentile of the rich countries is making 28 times
what the guy in probably a Sub-Saharan African country is
making. So the international income differentials are so
staggering they make your jaw drop. And that remains true
even if you focus on a more homogeneous set of
countries. For instance, just European countries, you do the
90-10 ratio, you get 3.8. And if you do the OECD countries,
you get 2.1.
So among—within the international context, that 1.37 is not
a huge number. But when we think about competing across
MSAs within the USA, 35 percent or 40 percent is a big
number. So you've got to keep everything sort of in
perspective when you're looking at this here.
So, now we're going to go to the income inequality idea
within MSAs. Obviously, we're just averaging across all the
people in the St. Louis MSA. Some are doing well. Some
aren't doing very well. We'd like to be able to account for
that and get the idea of how much income inequality is
there within these different MSAs. The data that I'm looking
at does not account for the distribution of income. So I'm
going to have to go to a different paper, and it's going to be
the paper that's cited here by three authors that I don't
know very well. But we're going to use their research. They
have studied the issue of income inequality across MSAs.
It turns out that St. Louis is kind of average in terms of
income inequality and some of our rivals on the top 10 list
have very high income inequality, and we're going to look at
that here. So here's the picture. This isn't per capita income
anymore. This is a measure of income inequality, and the
MSAs are along the horizontal as we had before, and the
measure of inequality is on the vertical axis.
And the measure of inequality is the ratio of the average
income of the guy in the top 1 percent versus the average
income of the guy in the bottom 99 percent. And if you look
at that ratio for New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, which are
listed there, those numbers are all higher. St. Louis is down
the list. I wouldn't say it's exactly low, but it's close to the
middle of the distribution here as you go off to the right in
this picture. You've got the one with the highest—the MSA
with the highest inequality is Bridgeport, Conn. I don't know
too much about that MSA, but the kind of rumor would be a
lot of hedge fund type people like to live in Bridgeport, and
it probably has also a poorer segment of its MSA, and
that's creating a lot of inequality in that particular place.
But I think the main message of this is that the larger cities
tend to be places where income inequality is quite a bit
higher than it is for the rest of the MSAs. And this is all 380
of them in here.
So now we can put that extra column on our top 10 list
here, so this is the same table that we had before with our
measure of per capita income. We're No. 7 on the list.
We've got our measure of cost of living and the RPP. We're
low cost. And then we've got our measure of inequality in
this last column. And I just want to focus on this for a
minute, because some of these cities have pretty high
inequality.
And what cities are they? They're the Bay Area cities that
have inequality numbers around 30, Boston very high,
Houston also quite high. But the other cities on this list are
probably comparable to St. Louis, kind of in the middle.
Nashville in particular is close to us, Minneapolis close to
us. Seattle a little bit higher, but generally speaking close to
us. Washington, D.C., actually comes up with relatively low
inequality. I think the federal government there provides a
kind of a lot of income across a very large swathe of the
workforce there, and so it's kind of a different city from
other places.
So the message I would like to take—and this talk's about
over here, so you can wake up again. [Laughter.] The
message I'd like you to take is that, among the top 10
places for standard of living in the U.S., there's only two
that are low cost. That's us and Nashville. And then—and
Nashville is really almost identical to us across the board
here. And then, among the ones that do better than us on
standard of living, some of them are high cost—they're
higher-cost than us, but some of them also have quite a bit
higher inequality than what we have here.
So I'm going to stop there. I think we're about done—oh, I've
got one more thing. We often talk about economic growth,
and I think a lot of the discussion that I've had with all of
you we think of growth as being the measure of how well
we're doing, whereas I'm talking about the level, the
standard of living level that we're at. If we don't grow, then
others will catch up to us and pass us in per capita income.
But economic growth is not the same as standard of living.
Now in the cross-country literature it's well-understood that
some of the poorer countries are also the fast-growing
countries. And that's certainly happening with China and
India. If you look at their growth rates, 6 percent to 7
percent per year, year in and year out—U.S. is growing at 2
percent a year, year in and year out—after a while they're
going to catch up in per capita income if they continue to
grow faster than us. However, the standard of living as of
today is still low, you know, by a factor of 5 to 10, than it is
in the U.S. So they have a relatively low standard of living,
even though they're growing really fast.
You might say the same thing about MSAs, but I don't really
have enough data here to get at this issue. And so we're
going to have to defer that to a future day. Of course, it
would be great to be growing fast, but I think the point here
is that the level of per capita income is high in St. Louis.
OK. So let's conclude. If you want to think about these
issues, you have to adjust for price differences across
MSAs and housing prices in particular. Otherwise, you
won't have meaningful comparison about the standard of
living across MSAs. So I used some recent data that's
become available on this issue. We use that to calculate
per capita income across MSAs. And I'm hopeful that we
can use this kind of data to keep perspective of where we
are and what we have to do to get better and where our
competition is in the U.S. going forward.
So I'm going to stop there and let you guys ask some
questions. So thanks very much. You've been very attentive
and very good. [Applause.] I think we have microphones
over on this side and another one over on this side, so
you're going to have to troop up to the microphone if you
want to get a question. I prefer softball questions.
[Laughter.]
Male: Sorry about that, no softball. Dr. Bullard, I don't think
the data correlates with how most people in the region
would feel about our success.
James Bullard: Yes. I'm trying to shock you into what's
really going on here. This is what's really going on. These
are the numbers. This is the data. Now from here you can
go say all kinds of other things. [Laughter.]
Male: What do you think the reason is for that lack of
correlation between what you're presenting and how
probably most of us feel? Humbleness?
James Bullard: There is a Midwestern humbleness, I would
say that. But some of the other places—it's not just St.
Louis. It's that the cultural story has become very popular
in the last 20 years, and I think that's mostly because of the
tech boom. And the tech boom is a great story, and these
tech companies are coming to dominate the U.S. economy,
and that makes places like Seattle and the Bay Area look
very, very good. And they look good in this data as well.
But then you forget about, well, what about Minneapolis—
forget about St. Louis. But what about Minneapolis? What
about Nashville? What about Houston? Are those also
places with a high standard of living? And they are,
according to these data. So, I think—the idea that everyone
has got to scramble up to San Francisco to get into the
tech boom I always think is a little bit funny. I mean, you
could do that from anywhere. You don't have to be out
there paying 30 percent more than what you're paying here.
Please?
Male: OK. Since we're here in a transit agency, I thought I'd
ask a transit-related question. How did your data
compensate for the difference in utility and private car
ownership versus the availability of mass transit? In other
words, dense areas would obviously have higher property
costs, but also much higher costs of owning cars.
The ipside of that and something that came out in the
Ferguson Commission is the affordability of mass transit.
If you are living in a high-cost area and you have good
mass transit and you compare that, how do you compare
that to living in perhaps a low-cost area which has car
ownership as a prerequisite to working?
James Bullard: Well, I think that's a great question, and the
answer is this data does not address that question.
[Laughter.]
So, what I wanted to get at is this international comparison
literature. So when we're saying Switzerland has a high
standard of living, U.S. has a high standard of living, U.K.
has a high standard of living, we're not telling stories about
the transportation network in those countries. We're not
telling—there are a whole host of things that are going to
be a lot better in those three countries than they're going to
be in Latin America or Sub-Saharan Africa. There's going to
be dramatic differences in all kinds of dimensions between
those kinds of countries on the international scale.
And you want to think of the MSA in the same way.
Different MSAs are going to have different transportation
network needs. I think the coastal cities in particular seem
to—at least from afar seem to be extremely congested
because they're limited in what they can do with their
geography, and this creates a lot of complications about
getting around. I mean, New York City, who thought of the
idea of putting 20 million people on that island? I mean,
that was like the stupidest thing we ever did. [Laughter.]
So I think what the advantage of the Midwest is—
Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Dallas, Houston—you've got
areas where you can spread out. And if you can build a
realistic transportation network, you can keep this cost of
housing more competitive than what you see in these
coastal communities. And that just provides tremendous
cost advantage in the Midwest compared to the coast.
So I think that's what's going on in spades and it seems to
be getting even—you know, the prices are increasing more
and more. If you look internationally at these cities, the
housing prices are increasing more and more. In the sort of
glam cities or coast cities, people seem to want to pay a lot
for their housing. So I think the Midwest has a great
advantage on it.
Now, being in the Midwest all by itself, even with a cost
advantage, doesn't mean it would be a great MSA. You also
have to have the jobs in the city that are good enough or
that are going to provide a high standard of living. So not
all the cities on this list are in the Midwest. And so it's kind
of that you're competing against a rival that has other—that
might have other advantages. But cost is not one of them.
And I think we're doing very well against the list here.
Please?
Male: Comparison to international comparisons was
interesting. For the international one, people can't move
between countries. But for cities, people can move. So
you're saying the living standards are 20, 50 percent
different, and people aren't apparently moving given
migration statistics. Is it because of cost or is it because of
amenities you don't measure?
If it's amenities, it might be interesting to compare the
differences in things like public transportation like the
previous speaker said or the things that might suggest
more investment in bi-state regional development. If these
are amenities they control, they explain why we don't see
migration moving in the direction you suggest.
James Bullard: Yep.
Male: Maybe there are other things that can be done.
James Bullard: Brilliant, brilliant question. So if the
standard of living is better somewhere else, then you would
think people would say, "Hey, I'm going to move to the
somewhere else," if you're the average guy. We're talking
about the average guy here, too. We're not talking about the
rich people. They can y wherever they want. But the
average person might say, "Gee, my life would be a lot
better if I go over from the poor country to the rich country,
and therefore I'm going to move to the rich country."
And that does happen internationally in spades, I would
say. But if you talk to people from poor countries, they
complain about brain drain. They complain about their
most talented people wanting to be in Europe or the U.S.
And so that happens. It doesn't happen on a grand scale
because of immigration restrictions across countries. And,
therefore, what you see across countries is a lot of
inequality across countries internationally.
Now when I show you the MSA distribution, it's way atter.
So I think that process has gone on over the last 50 years
or 100 years in the U.S., and people have moved to places
where they thought the economic opportunity was bigger
and where they can do better. And in order to get that
process to work appropriately, people have to have the
right perception about where the economic opportunity
really is. To a young person, this would say that places like
San Francisco and Boston are good. But it would also say
places like Minneapolis and Nashville are also good and St.
Louis also good.
So the fact that labor does not move internationally means
that that distribution is not getting equalized the same way
that it has in the U.S. It has become—it's much more equal
in the U.S. across places, but not completely where you still
have a 35 percent or 40 percent differential between the
90th percentile MSA and the 10th percentile MSA.
OK, I think I've exhausted you. Well, it's a pleasure to be
here. What a great audience. [Applause.]
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APA
James Bullard (2017, October 5). Regional President Speech. Speeches, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/regional_speeche_20171006_james_bullard
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_regional_speeche_20171006_james_bullard,
author = {James Bullard},
title = {Regional President Speech},
year = {2017},
month = {Oct},
howpublished = {Speeches, Federal Reserve},
url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/regional_speeche_20171006_james_bullard},
note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}