speeches · February 26, 2013
Regional President Speech
Richard W. Fisher · President
Comments on Monetary Policy
and ‘Too Big to Fail’
(With a Tribute to Irving Kristol)
Remarks before Columbia University’s
School of International and Public Affairs
Richard W. Fisher
President and CEO
Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas
New York, N.Y.
February 27, 2013
The views expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect official positions of the Federal Reserve System.
Comments on Monetary Policy and ‘Too Big to Fail’
(With a Tribute to Irving Kristol)
Richard W. Fisher
Thank you, Professor [Merit] Janow. The title of this lectureship far overstates my standing and
capacity—I am unworthy of being considered “distinguished” at anything other than having
helped raise four children whose talents far surpass my own. But I thank you for this
momentarily hyperbolic honor.1
As Merit mentioned, we go back a long way. Yet my involvement with Columbia University and
Morningside Heights goes back much further. After I graduated from Harvard in 1971, I needed
money to pay for Oxford, so I spent most of a year working as a busboy and bartender and doing
a number of odd jobs in Washington, D.C.—testimony to the immediate benefits of a Harvard
degree in economics! Starved for intellectual sustenance as I waited to return to academia, I
found comfort in reading about public policy, especially in the essays of what was then a new
journal, The Public Interest.
The Public Interest was the brainchild of Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell (subsequently joined by
Nathan Glazer)—originally young Trotskyites who had spent their days as students at the City
College of New York (CCNY), the “Harvard of the Proletariat”—“trying to understand how the
socialist ideal of political and economic justice had ended in Joseph Stalin’s murderous
tyranny.”2 They later migrated to what we would now consider prototypical Roosevelt-cum-
Lyndon Johnson liberalism, and then evolved into “neoconservatives.” These three men were
becoming iconic public intellectuals, and The Public Interest was something of a personal
journal of lessons they learned during their ideological transformation.
Kristol and Bell ran a series of evening seminar/workshops here on this campus and at CCNY.
At every opportunity, I would take an afternoon off, jump on a bus to New York, attend their
evening talks, find some kindly student to let me sleep in a dorm room and return by bus to
Washington the next morning. All this is by way of saying that I have been coming to Columbia
for over 40 years, almost as many years as the number of consecutive games lost in the historical
losing streak of your illustrious football team.
I was especially captivated by Irving Kristol. His book, Two Cheers for Capitalism, praised
capitalism because, one, “it works, in a quite simple, material sense;” and two, it is “congenial to
a large measure of personal liberty.”3 Kristol famously described himself as “a liberal who had
been mugged by reality.” In writing a loving homage to Kristol when he died, David Brooks of
the New York Times summarized the basis for Kristol’s epiphany in more colorful language.
“The elemental Jewish commandment” in the working-class neighborhood where Kristol grew
up was: “Don’t be a schmuck. Don’t fall for fantastical notions that have nothing to do with the
way people really are.”4
As a member of the team of earnest men and women who form the Federal Open Market
Committee (FOMC), I consider myself a central banker who has been mugged by the reality of
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having been an investor and market operator. I am constantly wary of fantastical notions that
seem cogent in economic or monetary theory but run counter to what I learned in the
marketplace or run the risk of departing from practice in the real economy—of possibly having
nothing to do with the way people and businesses, those who actually operate our economy,
really are.
Today, I am going to discuss two such risks as I see them: the current program of quantitative
easing and the effect of the Dodd–Frank legislation aimed at preventing “too big to fail.” I’ll do
this in short order and as provocatively as possible so as to give professors Calomiris and Svejnar
plenty of ammo to use during the inquisition that will follow my remarks.
Monetary Policy and Quantitative Easing
I have argued against what I have called “Buzz Lightyear” monetary policy—pledging to hold
the federal funds rate at zero seemingly to infinity and beyond, while purchasing longer-term
Treasury securities at a pace of $45 billion per month, reinvesting principal payments on all
agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities (MBS) and purchasing MBS at a pace of
$40 billion per month.5 Indeed, other than our initial program to underpin a recovery in the
housing market with our initial tranche of purchases of MBS, I have opposed all other large-scale
asset purchases or quantitative easing (QE) programs. Why have I been so obstinate in my
opposition to this well-intended program?
I fully understand its theoretical underpinnings. But I question its efficacy.
Confined as the Fed is at the “zero bound,” the only means of adding monetary fuel to the
economy has been to purchase Treasury and MBS securities. When we buy something, we pay
for it, putting money into the economy. That money—backed by an assurance that the FOMC
will hold interest rates at zero and continue large-scale asset purchases for a prolonged period—
should, theoretically, be put to use: a) by banks’ lending to consumers and to businesses that will
expand employment, or b) by investors who, rediscounting valuations in the fixed-income and
equity markets, will drive those markets higher in price, creating a “wealth effect.” This wealth
effect should lead to further consumption as well as greater employment by businesses whose
balance sheets have been reconfigured and enriched both by the cheapest leverage in American
history and by booming prices for their stock.
All these actions are in keeping with the dual mandate that the Federal Reserve was given by the
Congress of the United States. It calls for us to operate independently both to maintain price
stability and conduct policy in a way that engenders full employment. Given that inflation and,
importantly, inflationary expectations are presently “contained,” it would seem theoretically
compelling to pursue the policy that we have undertaken.
But a not-so-funny thing has happened on the way to the reality forum. While bankers and other
sources of credit have slowly but consistently liberalized their lending practices, borrowers have
not been especially keen to put cheap and super-abundant credit to use in expanding payrolls to
the degree the FOMC desires.
To be sure, we have, as hoped, seen a reinvigorated housing market. Indeed, FOMC records will
show that based on the superb work done by two housing-market experts at the Dallas Fed—
John Duca and Anthony Murphy, working with John Muellbauer at Oxford—and thanks to our
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field soundings with housing and housing-related business leaders, the Dallas Fed was way
ahead of others at the FOMC table both in warning of the housing market debacle and then
recognizing the housing recovery.6 The fact that the housing-market gears have now begun to
mesh is why I believe we are running the risk of overkill by continuing our mortgage-backed
securities purchase program at the current pace and would suggest tapering off those purchases.
As to the more broadly impactful Treasury purchases, occurring as they have simultaneously
with a loss of confidence in the euro bond markets—I like to say that, relatively speaking, the
U.S. economy has been the “best-looking horse in the glue factory”—they have indeed led to a
massive bond and stock market rally. For the ninth time in U.S. history, we have experienced a
doubling of the market indexes; corporate borrowing rates are at the lowest levels on record,
including those for CCC-rated credits that are just north of default.
That’s the good news. Some sharp market operators have done very well. For private-equity
firms, for example, hyper-accommodative monetary policy has offered a chance to go back to the
glories of payment-in-kind and other financial techniques that enrich financiers but may not
create employment. For the largest banks and financial institutions, policy has helped dig them
out of the holes in which they found themselves (including the hole of executive compensation).
And for the wealthiest investors, even unto the revered Oracle of Omaha, there has been the
windfall of super-abundant credit that, after adjusting for tax deductions on interest and a
modicum of inflation, is practically free. Ordinary savers and retirees have benefited from the
turnaround in the all-important housing sector, but with the remainder of their savings, they have
been waylaid on the sidelines of the zero bound. In addition, the 5,500 or so smaller banks that
are the backbone of our communities have seen their interest margins squeezed severely. The
wealth effect, in other words, has been unbalanced. Main Street does not seem to have been
impacted to the same degree as Wall Street.
To be sure, as mentioned, businesses have been able to improve their balance sheets and are
enjoying higher stock market valuations of their businesses. However, thus far, businesses have
pursued payroll-expanding job creation with less enthusiasm than had been hoped for.
Unemployment remains annoyingly high. There are some pockets of exception like Texas, which
now operates at employment levels 3.1 percent above its prerecession peak and, over the last
decade, has created jobs across the entire income spectrum. Nationwide, meanwhile, job creation
has been weak and in the important middle-income quartiles has been shrinking.
Employers large and small, privately owned or publicly traded, will tell you that despite access
to cheap and abundant capital, they are hesitant to make long-term commitments, including
hiring significant numbers of permanent workers. They cite uncertain growth prospects for the
goods and services they sell at home, where consumption is retarded by slow growth in
employment and, lately, by the increase in payroll taxes. And abroad, these employers point to
the dampened consumption stemming from the economic debacle in Europe and its knock-on
effects on China and the export-led emerging economies. They are uncertain about fiscal policy,
not knowing what their taxes will be and what will happen to all-important federal spending that
directly impacts them or their customers. They are uncertain as to the ultimate effect on their cost
structures of the seemingly endless expansion of health care and other mandates and regulations,
however meritorious their intention. And, for some, there is a deeply imbedded worry that the
Fed’s contortion of the yield curve and cost of money cannot last forever, or, if it lasts too long,
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will eventually result in financial bubbles and/or uncontrollable inflation, adding another
uncertainty to the plethora of uncertain factors that already plague them.
As I walked down memory lane in preparation for this lecture today, I thought of my days at
business school in the mid-1970s. Everything we learned in business school was oriented toward
operating and growing companies under the assumption of constrained, conservative debt
markets and a fundamentals-driven equity market. Today, the opposite obtains: Credit is super-
abundant and stock market behavior is conditioned not so much by the fundamental performance
of its underlying companies but by increasing doses of monetary Ritalin.7 Against this backdrop,
I am not surprised by the reaction of businesses. Operating in a highly uncertain environment, it
is eminently sensible for them to defensively use their newly strengthened balance sheets to buy
back shares and pay out dividends or employ them offensively in ways—say, in making
acquisitions—that often lead to employee rationalization, not payroll expansion for U.S.
workers.
This is how businesses really think; this is the way people really are.
The bottom line is that rather than achieve the intended theoretical effect, I believe the policy of
super-abundant money at costs deviating substantially from normal equilibrium levels may
ultimately prove to be counterproductive. Or it may restrain the benefits that theory might
suggest.
If this is so, should we continue with the current program of QE? I have argued we should not,
that we are pushing on a string. But let me qualify this. I was, indeed, against the escalating
rounds of QE, questioning their efficacy. But now that we have them in place, and the fixed-
income and stock markets are hooked on the monetary Ritalin that we have dispensed in ever-
larger doses, it would, in my opinion, do great harm to force a sudden withdrawal. So, I have
argued that it would be best to taper the dose of QE so that markets can adjust gradually to the
eventual removal of this treatment and return to pricing securities on the basis of fundamentals.
Am I right or wrong? I pose this question to professors Calomiris and Svejnar for the discussion
that will follow.
Let me add one more thought for the good professors to contemplate before moving on to the
topic of too big to fail (TBTF). This is, admittedly, out of left (or perhaps in the spirit of Irving
Kristol, right) field: Having posited that, thus far, the wealth-effect phenomenon has been
concentrated in both the housing sector—a Main Street benefit, and a powerful one—and the
hands of the savviest operators—those most able to exploit free and abundant money, primarily a
smaller base consisting of the big banks and the investment community on Wall Street—and
given that private sector job creators are in a defensive crouch and the federal government is
likely to remain in cost-containment mode, might there be a way for others charged with
fiduciary responsibility to the broader public to capitalize on the current moment?
For example, Texas, with its highly rated government credit, has navigated its 26 million people
through the Great Recession with strong fiscal fundamentals and a dynamic economy that has
persistently outperformed the United States and, indeed, all other large states for at least the past
two decades.8 Might it make sense for Texas to issue ultra-long bonds at currently prevailing
ultra-low rates to finance the state’s longer-term infrastructure needs? I have in mind a Texas
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Century Bond. The public benefit would come from saving on interest payments that will
inevitably rise over time from their unprecedented low levels—certainly sometime in the next
100 years—meanwhile financing highways, water projects, universities and the like that will be
needed to continue serving the state’s growing population and expanding economy. If ever there
were a window for such an issuance, it surely would be now.
Domestic entities seeking to match longer-term liabilities and commitments as well as sovereign
investors like the Norwegians are keen on finding “risk free” dollar-denominated assets of long
duration. Mexico and private universities such as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have
placed century bonds. Because the U.S. government cannot capitalize on such demand and is
stuck in a rut of issuing short-dated debt so as not to add to its deficits, could or should other
dollar-based “sovereign” issuers like the best credit-rated states, especially a large one like
Texas, do so? I’ll just throw that out for your contemplation.
Too Big to Fail
Now, on to TBTF.
Everyone and their sister knows that financial institutions deemed TBTF were at the epicenter of
the 2007–09 financial crisis. Previously thought of as islands of safety in a sea of risk, they
became the enablers of a financial tsunami. Now that the storm has subsided, my colleagues at
the Dallas Fed and I submit that they are another key reason accommodative monetary policy
and government policies have failed to adequately spur the economic recovery. Our research
director, Harvey Rosenblum, and I first wrote about this in an article published in the Wall Street
Journal in September 2009, titled “The Blob That Ate Monetary Policy.”9 Put simply, sick banks
don’t lend. Sick—seriously undercapitalized—megabanks severely constricted their usual
lending and capital-market activities during the crisis and economic recovery. They brought
economic growth to a standstill and spread their sickness to the rest of the banking system.
Congress thought it would address the issue of TBTF through the Dodd–Frank Wall Street
Reform and Consumer Protection Act. Preventing TBTF from ever occurring again is in the very
preamble of the act. We contend that Dodd–Frank has not done enough to corral TBTF banks
and that, on balance, the act has made things worse, not better. We submit that, in the short run,
parts of Dodd–Frank have exacerbated the weakness in economic growth by increasing
regulatory uncertainty in key sectors of the U.S. economy. Despite its good intention, it has been
counterproductive, working against solving the core problems it seeks to address.
Let me define what we mean when we speak of TBTF. The Dallas Fed’s definition is financial
firms whose owners, managers, creditors, shareholders and customers believe them to be exempt
from the processes of bankruptcy and creative destruction. Such firms capture the financial
upside of their actions but largely avoid payment—bankruptcy and closure—for actions gone
wrong, in violation of one of the basic tenets of market capitalism (at least as it is supposed to be
practiced in the United States). Such firms enjoy implicit subsidies relative to their non-TBTF
competitors. They are thus more likely to take greater risks in search of profits, protected by the
presumption that bankruptcy is a highly unlikely outcome.
The phenomenon of TBTF is the result of an implicit but widely taken-for-granted government-
sanctioned policy of coming to the aid of a financial institution deemed to be so large,
interconnected and/or complex that its failure could substantially damage the financial system.
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By reducing a TBTF firm’s exposure to losses from excessive risk taking, such policies
undermine the discipline that market forces normally assert on management decisionmaking.
The reduction of market discipline has been further eroded by implicit extensions of the federal
safety net beyond commercial banks to their nonbank affiliates. Moreover, industry
consolidation, fostered by subsidized growth (and during the crisis, encouraged by the federal
government in the acquisitions of Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual and
Wachovia), has perpetuated and enlarged the weight of financial firms deemed TBTF. This
reduces competition.
Dodd–Frank does not do enough to constrain the behemoth banks’ advantages. Indeed, given the
economies of scale in handling regulation, Dodd–Frank’s excessive complexity works to
undermine the competitiveness of smaller banks, thereby offsetting some of the act’s other
aspects that curtail TBTF banks’ dominance. It unwittingly exacerbates the problem it set out to
solve.
Andrew Haldane, the highly respected member of the Financial Policy Committee of the Bank of
England, addressed this at last summer’s Jackson Hole, Wyo., policymakers’ meeting in witty
remarks titled, “The Dog and the Frisbee.”10 I highly recommend this speech to you.
Haldane noted that Dodd–Frank comes against a backdrop of ever-greater escalation of financial
regulation. He pointed out that nationally chartered banks began to file the antecedents of “call
reports” after the formation of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in 1863. The
Federal Reserve Act of 1913 required state-chartered member banks to do the same, having them
submitted to the Federal Reserve starting in 1917. They were short forms; in 1930, Haldane
noted, these reports numbered 80 entries. “In 1986, [the ‘call reports’ submitted by bank holding
companies] covered 547 columns in Excel; by 1999, 1,208 columns. By 2011 … 2,271
columns.” “Fortunately,” he added wryly, “Excel had expanded sufficiently to capture the
increase.”
Though this increasingly complex reporting failed to prevent detection of the seeds of the
debacle of 2007–09, Dodd–Frank has layered on copious amounts of new complexity. The
legislation has 16 titles and runs 848 pages. It spawns litter upon litter of regulations: More than
8,800 pages of regulations have already been proposed, and the process is not yet done.
In his speech, Haldane noted—conservatively, in my view—that a survey of the Federal Register
showed that complying with these new rules would require 2,260,631 labor hours each year. He
added: “Of course, the costs of this regulatory edifice would be considered small if they
delivered even modest improvements to regulators’ ability to avert future crises.” He went on to
argue the wick is not worth the candle, before concluding: “Modern finance is complex, perhaps
too complex. Regulation of modern finance is complex, almost certainly too complex. That
configuration spells trouble. As you do not fight fire with fire, you do not fight complexity with
complexity. [The situation] requires a regulatory response grounded in simplicity, not
complexity.”
This case for more effectively treating TBTF is especially compelling given the subsidy these
institutions now enjoy by virtue of their protected status.
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This TBTF subsidy is quite large and has risen after the financial crisis. Recent estimates by the
Bank for International Settlements, for example, suggest that the implicit government guarantee
provides the largest U.S. bank holding companies with an average credit rating uplift of more
than two notches, thereby lowering average funding costs a full percentage point relative to
smaller competitors.11 Our aforementioned friend, Andy Haldane, estimates the implicit TBTF
global subsidy to be roughly $300 billion per year for the 29 global institutions identified by the
Financial Stability Board (2011) as “systemically important.”12 To put that $300 billion
estimated annual subsidy in perspective, all the U.S. bank holding companies summed together
reported 2011 earnings of $108 billion.
Harvey Rosenblum and I, and our team at the Dallas Fed, have proposed a simple amendment to
Dodd–Frank to remedy the TBTF pathology. We would eliminate the mumbo-jumbo, ineffective
and costly complexity of the law; relieve the regulatory imposition it imposes on non-TBTF
banks that do not pose systemic or broad risk to the economy or financial system; and eliminate
the unfair subsidy the TBTF holding companies enjoy at the expense of their smaller
competitors. Our proposal would effectively level the playing field for all banking organizations
and provide better protection for taxpaying citizens.
I laid our proposal out in a speech in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 16. You might access it and
study its details.13 In a nutshell, we recommend that within a complex bank holding company,
only the commercial banking operations that intermediate short-term deposits into longer-term
loans would benefit from federal deposit insurance and access to the Federal Reserve’s discount
window. All other operations of a complex bank holding company and all “shadow banking”
affiliates of that company would not have this protection or access to the Fed’s window. To
reinforce the understanding that taxpayers will not come to the aid of the risks taken by those
entities, every customer, creditor and counterparty of every shadow-banking affiliate and of the
senior holding company would be required to sign a new covenant, a simple disclosure that need
be no more complex than this: “Conducting business with this affiliate of XYZ bank holding
company carries NO federal deposit insurance or other government protection or guarantees. The
counterparty herein fully understands that in conducting business with XYZ’s banking affiliate,
it has NO federal government protection or guarantees, and its investment is totally at risk.”
Unfortunately, established customer relationships are slow to change. To accelerate the transition
to a more competitive financial system, our proposal has a third element to help level the playing
field. Specifically, we recommend that the largest financial institutions be restructured so that
every one of their corporate entities is subject to a speedy bankruptcy process, and in the case of
banking entities, that each be of a size that is “too small to save.” This would underscore to
customers and creditors that a credible regime shift has taken place, and the reign of TBTF
policies is over.
To circle back to Irving Kristol, I believe this suggested remedy to the pathology of TBTF
“works, in a quite simple, material sense” and is “congenial to a large measure of personal
liberty.” It most certainly dispenses with fantastical notions of the way people really are.
I have thrown a lot at you in this long speech. Thank you for tolerating me. Now, in the best
tradition of central bankers, I will do my utmost to avoid answering any questions you and the
good professors present may ask.
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Notes
1 Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, Spring 2013 Distinguished Speaker in
International Finance and Economic Policy.
2 “About the film: Finding My Way to the Alcoves (1999),” by director Joseph Dorman, PBS Online.
3 Two Cheers for Capitalism, by Irving Kristol (New York: Basic Books 1978).
4 “Three Cheers for Irving,” by David Brooks, New York Times, Sept. 22, 2009, p. A31.
5 See “The State of the West (With Reference to George Shultz, Eisenhower, Buzz Lightyear, George Strait, the San
Francisco Fed and Adam and Eve),” speech by Richard W. Fisher, Nov. 15, 2012.
6 See, for instance, “When Will the U.S. Housing Market Stabilize?” by John V. Duca, David Luttrell and Anthony
Murphy, Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas Economic Letter, vol. 6, no. 8, 2011.
7 Ritalin is a psychoactive drug classified with cocaine and morphine as highly addictive. It is widely used to treat
children and is considered by many to be overprescribed.
8 See chart below:
Total Nonagricultural Employment
Since 1990
160
Texas
Job Growth Index, 100 = January 1990
150
140
130
U.S.
120
California
110 Illinois
New York
100
Massachusetts
90
1990 1995 2000 2005 2010
SOURCES: Bureau of Labor Statistics; Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.
9 See “The Blob That Ate Monetary Policy,” by Richard W. Fisher and Harvey Rosenblum, Wall Street Journal,
Sept. 27, 2009.
10 See “The Dog and the Frisbee,” by Andrew G. Haldane and Vasileios Madouros, Bank of England, paper
presented at “The Changing Policy Landscape” symposium sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City,
Jackson Hole, Wyo., Aug. 30–Sept. 1, 2012.
11 Bank for International Settlements 2011/2012 Annual Report, June 24, 2012, pp. 75–6.
12 See “On Being the Right Size,” speech by Andrew Haldane, Bank of England, at the 2012 Beesley Lectures,
Institute of Economic Affairs’ 22nd Annual Series, London, Oct. 25, 2012.
13 See “Ending ‘Too Big to Fail’: A Proposal for Reform Before It’s Too Late (With Reference to Patrick Henry,
Complexity and Reality),” speech by Richard W. Fisher, Jan. 16, 2013.
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