speeches · October 5, 2009
Regional President Speech
Thomas M. Hoenig · President
Regulatory Reform and the Economy:
We Can Do Better
Thomas M. Hoenig
President
Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
Denver, Colorado
October 6, 2009
I want to thank you for attending this evening’s Economic Forum, hosted by the Denver
Branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. When Congr ess created the Federal Reserve
in 1913, they believed very strongly that the nation’s central bank could not be an institution
isolated inside Washington. Instead, they recognized the importance of distributing the Federal
Reserve’s responsibility broadly across the nation, creating regional Federal Reserve Banks that
serve specific regions of the country. The regional Banks and Bank Branches, like the one here
in Denver, are under the direction of local boards. Our directors play a key role in connecting the
Federal Reserve and its policy deliberations directly to the communities we serve. We have two
Denver-area directors on the Kansas City office’s board, and the seven-member Denver board
includes four Denver-area directors. I would like to recognize how important these Coloradans
are to the success of our work and thank each of them for their service to our nation’s central
bank.
CHALLENGES
In the past when I have spoken at this program, my comments have focused almost
entirely on the economic outlook. In that regard, I can tell you that I see nothing that conflicts
with the widely held opinion that we are in recovery. Consumer confidence is rebounding, and
we are starting to see improvement in business and manufacturing. Additionally, yield spreads
between low-risk assets, such as Treasuries, and higher risk assets are nano wing. They are not at
prerecession levels, but there is a clear indication that investors are more willing to provide
capital, which is extremely important. A vast amount of stimulus has been put in place to spark
this recovery, and I believe it will prevent a double-dip recession.
The stimulus will, however, present its own challenges. The Federal Reserve and other
central banks around the world will have to unwind the extensive policy accommodation used to
halt the economy’s decline. That will be a delicate process because removing too soon could
return the economy to recession while waiting too long will foster an inflationary spiral. The
process will be particularly delicate for this recovery because it will proceed slowly, hampered
by a significant debt overhang and uncertainty around the condition of some of the largest
financial institutions. Thus, the challenge to monetary policy is to act in such a manner that you
encourage the recovery while not fostering conditions for a future crisis, albeit one of a different
nature.
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As policy is discussed and even debated, it is important to note that the current fed funds
rate is zero. We all know that the neutral rate is not zero. Equally obvious to me is that a rate of 1
or 2 percent is not tight monetary policy - it is still very accommodative. As we consider our
choices, I would not support a tight monetary policy hr the current environment, but my
experience tells rue that we will need to remove our very accommodative policy sooner rather
than later. Even if we were to start immediately, much time would pass before incremental
increases could be considered tight or even neutral policy.
Monetary policy, however, is not the only area where we will have to consider the long
term implications of our actions as we emerge from this crisis. In that regard, I tliink the best use
of rny time here this evening will be to explain why I think the hard decisions are ahead in the
area of regulatory reform, which is cunently under consideration in Congress. Looking at some
of the policy issues that have emer ged hi recent weeks, it seems the public debate continues to
distract from what I judge was the primary cause of tins crisis. We must address the issue of too
big to fail or we will repeat the mistakes of the past, with ever-worsening consequences. I know
we can do better.
REGULATORY REFORM
Too Big to Fail
Reform in the regulation and oversight of our financial system clearly is needed. As sur e
as we know that tomorrow will arrive, we know that a financial crisis will occur again at some
time in the future. Therefore, the most important exercise that we should undertake now is to
ensure that problems at large financial institutions are not allowed to jeopardize the basic
survival of our financial system and economy.
How do we do that? How do we prevent incentive compensation schemes that cany high
costs to taxpayers? How do we best protect the consumer from unfair and deceptive practices by
firms that are currently unregulated or under-regulated? While the Administration has taken an
important initial step to address these lapses in our- financial system, it is focusing first on
symptoms rather than the disease.
Adam Smith is often thought of as the English-speaking world’s father of modern
economics. He is widely known for his book titled, The Wealth of Nations, in which he provided
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his analogy that a market economy was like an invisible hand guiding resources to their best use.
Less well-known is another passage in that book in which he warns that:
“The interest of the dealers ... is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to. that of the
public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market
may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be
against it. and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising then profits above what they naturally would be. to
levy ... an absurd tax upon ... their fellow-citizens. The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which
comes from tills order ought always to be listened to with great precaution.... It comes from an order of men whose
interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to
oppress the public, and who ... upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.”
To get a sense of what Adam Smith is talking about, I would point out that in 1999 the
Congress passed a piece of legislation, heavily endorsed by our largest banking firms, called the
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This legislation ended the separation of commercial and investment
banking. It broadened the market and allowed for the accelerated growth of large financial films
in the United States, turning them into institutions that were thought to be “too big to fail.”
Tills should not be dismissed as a populist view of these institutions, but one that is
supported by the data. It is best seen by examining the advantages that accrued to these firms
with respect to then- capital levels. The market, knowing these firms were too big to fail,
tolerated an ever-expanding leverage ratio, relative to owner equity. For example, if you look at
the 20 largest institutions, their equity-to-assets ratio at the end of the second quarter of 2009 was
about 4.3 percent. If you look at the next smaller group of institutions, their equity-to-assets ratio
was almost 6.5 percent. The smaller institutions simply must cany lower leverage ratio because
all those in the market - management, shareholders and creditors - know they will lose their jobs
and investments if they make decisions that cause their banks to fail. This type of market
discipline is less immediate to the owners and creditors of the larger films.
If you were to place these largest institutions under the same leverage constraints as the
smaller firms - at least 6.5 percent equity to asset - these larger firms would need to raise more
than $275 billion in new capital or shrink their assets by more than $4 trillion. Tins capital
difference is an overwhelming advantage to these largest firms and, indeed, has enabled them to
narrow the competition to an incredible degree. Since the change in law, the largest 20 films
have increased their control of the nation’s banking assets from about 35 percent to an
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astonishing 70 percent. Even more striking perhaps is the fact that some of these firms are now
30 to 40 percent larger than they were when this crisis began, and as yon know, many of these
firms were protected during the crisis.
When the crisis unfolded and these largest firms were at risk of failure, Congress passed
the $700 billion TARP legislation. It was done to protect the broad economy, but it also had the
additional effect of institutionalizing too big to fail in the United States.
Compensation
One of the ironies of this action is that the management of these firms, even those
needing TARP funds to survive, continues to receive enormous compensation packages. As a
result, one of the issues currently distracting Congress and the public is executive compensation.
I certainly understand the anger directed at the well-paid individuals atop large firms that
contributed to this crisis. However, a comprehensive plan for resolving these firms and
dismissing management, rather than protecting them from failure, would address compensation
issues far more effectively because it would leave these individuals out of work and wipe out any
ownership stake they hold. That does much more for accountability than simply capping an
individual’s pay. In fact, there is some question if pay caps could even be firmly implemented -
as you may know some firms have already begun to work around compensation limits by raising
base salaries to million-dollar levels.
Compensation restrictions also call into question the tenants of capitalism in terms of
balancing risk and reward. If we ensure that our resolution system makes management bear the
costs of the bad decisions and risks they take, we also need to let them reap the rewards of the
good decisions. At the very least, new kinds of market distortions might be created by injecting a
degree of disconnect between compensation and performance - the same kind of disconnect that
some might suggest fosters the type of carelessness we saw in this crisis.
Let me give you one example. Let’s say one of the largest financial institutions wanted to
pay a trader a $100 million bonus based on performance. I’m not a trader, but I know there is no
way to earn enough money on trading to generate a $100 million bonus without taking open
positions, which in this example is making bets on behalf of a company that has a major role in
our nations’ payments system. If the trader wins, the company makes money. If the trader loses,
taxpayers fund the bailout because the institution is large and systemically important. Ure real
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problem with this scenario is that the company is too big to fail, not that they are willing to pay
an enormous sum of money as a bonus. If it's their money, or the money of their shareholders or
creditors, I am in favor of letting them set compensation levels. If if s the money of U.S.
taxpayers, then if s an outrage. Mandating an orderly receivership if the institution fails assures
that they gamble with their own money.
It is also important to acknowledge that policing such an executive compensation policy
will be difficult and inconsistent. For those who are angry about individuals profiting obscenely
from a crisis, it will do nothing to prevent that. Many investors did so during this crisis by rightly
interpreting that the government would bail out failed institutions and that the stock prices would
recover. Heads I win, tails the public loses is a one-way bet. It's not capitalism; it is bad policy.
Once again, I suggest that ending too-big-to-fail is the first step in addressing compensation
issues.
Consumer Protection
Another headline issue in the regulatory reform package relates to the proposed
Consumer Financial Protection Agency. Fair treatment of consumers is extremely important. We
do a lot of work throughout our District on consumer education and consumer issues. Our Bank
also hosts a nationwide call center on behalf of the entire Federal Reserve System. Consumers
can contact us by phone1 - and they will talk to an actual person, not a machine - or online at
www.FederalReserveConsunierHelp.eov to discuss problems related to any financial institution,
regardless of the regulatory agency involved. These calls are extremely illuminating in what they
tell us about the relationship between consumers and financial institutions. First of all, we handle
about 40,000 consumer questions a year, which suggests a lot of concern and often confusion
about consumer rights under the law. However, 90 percent of the complaints we receive are
targeted on the largest banks and most often related to credit card issues. Very few complaints
are made against community banks. And, after these complaints have been investigated, few
against conununity banks are actually found to involve violations of the consumer protection
rales. This suggests that clarification or simplification of consumer protection rales may be
necessary for consumers to better understand what dieir protections are under the law.
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I think we also need to recognize that, while effective consumer protection is a critical
foundation of our financial system, weaknesses or gaps in the enforcement of these laws was not
the only factor, or even the driving factor, behind the run-up of subprime lending and the
resulting wave of foreclosures. What we experienced was a distortion of incentives in financial
markets amid inflated real estate prices, skyrocketing demand for mortgage backed securities and
a resulting deterioration in underwriting standards for many lenders as they rushed to originate
more Ioans. These dynamics caused too many loans to be extended without a reasonable
probability of repayment. The consequences were, of course, disastrous when the housing market
collapsed. This experience raises important questions about the incentives involved in
securitizing loans, the ability of consumers to receive a loan with little or no upfront money, and
the role of nonbank firms, among other issues. There are also lessons to be learned about the
scope and effectiveness of consumer protection laws, as well as the expectations for regulators
enforcing these laws.
There are more discussions and debates to take place on this topic, and it is the choice of
Congress to decide. My experience tells me, however, that comprehensive oversight of banks is
important for both effective and efficient supervision. Under the coordinated approach we
currently utilize, our goal is to create a good outcome for consumers and depositors through
ensuring a financially sound and well-managed banking operation that complies with specific
consumer protection rules. Separating those functions will create inefficiencies in information
collection and analysis, and add an additional layer of communication and coordination.
But in any case, the fact remains that the consumer and the public more generally will be
best served if we address the root cause of the abuse that many unfortunate consumers have
suffered during the crisis. We must change the incentives and enhance the accountability of the
institutions that generated the complex products that served the principle goal of generating fees
rather than being sound Ioan products.
Solution
Many times in the last year I have expressed my astonishment that Congress was able to
approve $700 billion in TARP fluids in approximately one week and yet 18 months have passed
since Bear Steams was acquired by JPMorgan and there is still no resolution authority for the
largest financial firms.
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Failure resolution for these largest firms and other yet-to-be-defined systemically
important films is part of the proposed reform package now before Congress. Unfortunately, the
proposal does not adequately address the too-big-to-fail problem in that it still provides too much
latitude to rescue failing firms. It confirms the practice of addressing failure of the largest firms
in an ad hoc manner with individuals rather than the rule of law deciding which firms get rescued
and which do not. As eager as we might be to address the shortcomings of our financial system,
we must also be carefill to get it right.
Without mandatory resolution authority directed under “the rule of law” for the largest
films, financial reform will be incomplete and ineffective. Management will remain able to game
the compensation programs that we define, and consumers will be subject to higher fees and
unfair treatment, even under a new regulator, should it come to be. There can be no confidence in
the system until there is a sense of fairness in the treatment of institutions whereby management
and investors are held accountable for their decisions regardless of their film's size. We all know
the names of these firms. They were central to this crisis as it expanded and became a global
recession. However, while the crisis caused workers to lose their jobs and families to forfeit their
homes, the stockholders and creditors of these films enjoyed special protection funded by the
American taxpayer.
To begin with, the legislation needs to establish a mandatory, non negotiable resolution
process for too-big-to-fail firms that are no longer viable as a going concern due to insufficient
capital or liquidity. With appropriate legislation, failing films could still avoid liquidation or a
drawn-out bankruptcy process. Instead, they would be put into receivership or conservatorship so
as to provide an orderly process for maintaining essential services and avoiding systemic
instability while making management, shareholders and creditors accountable for their decisions.
The resolution process would apply to every financial institution whose problems might threaten
financial or economic stability and is involved in the “plumbing” of the financial system - that
is, those involved in the payments system and the provision of liquidity within the financial
system.
A resolution process where creditors bear losses commensurate with their investment
decisions would be significantly less costly to the taxpayer than the price we are currently paying
in lost jobs, lost economic growth and actual outlays of public funds. Alternatively, if we do not
find a way to end too-big-to-fail, the largest institutions retain an inequitable competitive
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advantage, will continue to escape market discipline and are incented to engage in practices that
ultimately harm the financial system.
A sound resolution process would provide greater assurance of equitable treatment for all
parties, which is essential in a democratic, capitalist system. As a nation, we will soon need to
address other enormous financial challenges, such as reducing the budget deficit and providing
future funding for Social Security and Medicare. We must not fool ourselves that citizens will -
or should - accept higher taxes or reduced benefits until we have addressed existing
vulnerabilities in our financial system that risk public funds.
To those who say that some firms are too big to fail, I wholeheartedly agree that some are
too big. However, these firms can be unwound hi a manner that does not cause ineparable harm
to our economy and financial system but actually strengthens it for the long run. As a regulator
during the banking crisis of the 1980s. I was involved in closing hundreds of failed institutions.
Continental Illinois, which was one of our nation’s largest and most complex bank holding
companies, was taken into receivership is an orderly fashion.
I have testified before Congress on this issue and recently offered a detailed process that
would hold the ownership and senior management of these institutions accountable for their
actions when their firms fail. The businesses would then be restructured through a prescribed
process under the rule of law. If you are interested in the details of this plan, I encourage you to
visit our website, uw.KansasCitvFed.org, where you can review it in its entirety. I am not
aware of any other proposal that would prevent situations like Bear Steams, Lehman Brothers
and Merrill Lynch from being handled exactly the same way. That is unacceptable.
CONCLUSION
While some argue that moving legislation quickly forward gives us a better outcome
sooner, my view is that this approach will result in a set of unintended consequences with a more
expensive outcome. I have no doubt that all policymakers involved in the debate have the same
goals of benefitting the consumer, the industry and the nation’s economy. That is why I believe
the full package of regulatory reform deserves more time for careful consideration and national
debate, but resolution authority is well over a year too late. The likelihood of real success in
financial stability; consumer protection; and; importantly, public confidence in policymakers’
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resolve to fix what actually went wrong in our financial system starts by addressing too-big-to-
fail.
I know that this is a difficult problem to fully understand, and certainly will be a
complicated situation to fix. But we must fix it. Based on experience, my view is that we do not
have to subsidize or “learn to live with” the financial oligarchy that exists. Furthermore, our
handling of too-big-to-fail institutions will define the future role of the United States hi the
global economy. Our failure to insist on a stable, market-based financial system jeopardizes the
U.S. leadership position.
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APA
Thomas M. Hoenig (2009, October 5). Regional President Speech. Speeches, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/regional_speeche_20091006_thomas_m_hoenig
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author = {Thomas M. Hoenig},
title = {Regional President Speech},
year = {2009},
month = {Oct},
howpublished = {Speeches, Federal Reserve},
url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/regional_speeche_20091006_thomas_m_hoenig},
note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
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